outhouse

false and blatant misprespresentation taking what is said out of context


Carrier states he believes the town was there.


False, you dont know that.

and a town as small as that would have no record anyway


sources are needed, and as stated its non sequitur








what your missing is this

jdboy

Carrier's argument is fallacious. He finds it hard to believe his own scenario,so what.
Again you have nothing...... show us the word Nazareth in use before the bible


From Josephus wars of the jews; Some also there were who, watching a proper opportunity when they might quietly get away, fled to the Romans, of whom were the high [priests] Joseph and Jesus, and of the sons of high [priests] three, whose father was Ishmael, who was beheaded in Cyrene, and four sons of Matthias, as also one son of the other Matthias, who ran away after his father's death, (9) and whose father was slain by Simon the son of Gioras, with three of his sons, as I have already related; many also of the other nobility went over to the Romans, together with the high [priests]. Now Caesar not only received these men very kindly in other respects, but, knowing they would not willingly live after the customs of other nations, he sent them to Gophna,

outhouse

Ill follow this

and this



the limited evidence we do have, is that there probably was a very very very small jewish hamlet/ slave camp there in jesus time.


I do understand he evidence is weak and missing in some cases. Much of history is based on probablities, and even skeptical scholars think a hamlet was there during jesus time or if you will, proposed time.



my main point here is rene is a cheap blogger with zero credibility

jdboy

ok fine,your posts are fun

Toto

Rene Salm is not a blogger, cheap or otherwise. He has done extensive study and he is presenting his ideas to the profession for critique.

GDon, in particular, has called for mythicists to do this. We will wait for the process of review to test his ideas.

Casual insults are not welcome here. If you want to critique his ideas, please be specific.

jdboy

i can't find anything on the inscription that Carrier is referring to?

"The first argument is refuted by an inscription of the 3rd or 4th century A.D. establishing the existence of Nazareth as a haven for refugee priests after the Jewish War"

ok i found this but still no source for this
"and in an inscription found in Caesarea, as a village where priests from the Pitzatz family settled following the destruction of the Temple, along with other refugees from Jerusalem."
http://rslissak.com/content/nazareth...hundreds-years

outhouse

he has no credentials at all and has less credibility then I do. [since he goes agaisnt proffessional scholars I tend to agree with.]


says who? another myther? Price for example likes it.

anyone else with credibility?



dont hold your breath, his work has been out for years


and Carrier did a fine job of putting him in his place.

outhouse

thanks for the link bud, most of that is summary of what is and isnt known simular to the wiki page.


A bud on another forum also had a email from Carrier stating he believed Nazareth may have existed.


I held the myth position on the town for a while, and fought the lack of evidence, the criteria of embarrassment of Nazareth won me over but more then anything the influx of population as Sepphoris was rebuilt required huge amounts of labor, all of which the Romans were excellent at extorting out of the jewish population. this would be a parallel to the gold rush in California, tens of thousands of people flocked to Sepphoris.

Besides the jewish labor, someone had to feed these people and these food quotas would have been placed upon the jews who would not have lived in the city itself and farmed alot of the land neaby.

with the influx of people in the beginning of the first century its highly probably a jewish camp or hamlet was set up there, for labor and agricultural farming as well as animals for meat.

Stringbean

The city did not exist on any 1st or 4th century trade route maps.....the Talmud mentions 63 towns, no Nazareth! Paul knows nothing of Nazareth. Josephus mentions some 45 cities and villages in Galilee but says nothing of Nazareth at all. It clearly is another construct by christian scribes to invent a place for their god man to put his sandals.

Toto

The Caesarea Maritima inscription is well known, but it dates to several centuries later. There is an archived thread on this here

Nazarethhttp://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html

eta: The actual inscription is discussed here. There is a dead link on that page that goes to this archived post by Andrew Criddle:

http://www.freeratio.org/thearchives...01#post4964901