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Old 04-07-2005, 02:11 PM   #1
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If Jesus was supposedly the perfect human, do you think he used 100% of his brain?
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He was God he didnt need a brain,LOL
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If Jesus was supposedly the perfect human, do you think he used 100% of his brain?
Oh god, not this outdated urban myth. People can't really still believe this. Please, say it isn't so.
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When Jesus is referred to as perfect, it seems to have nothing to do with his physical attributes, brain power, or muscle mass. He is called perfect in the sense of living a perfect life free from sin.
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This is Biblical Criticism and History. Is there a Biblical basis for saying that Jesus was perfect?

If you do a keyword search at biblegateway.com, you find two hits on "perfect" in the gospels, both indicating that ordinay human beings can be perfect:

Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.�


On the other hand, there are several indications in the Epistles that Jesus was "perfect" - the perfect sacrificial victim demanded by Jewish ritual.

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.


Perfect seems to mean ritually perfect, perfectly obedient, not perfect in every way. There is no indication that Jesus was physically perfect, or perfectly tall, or perfectly blond. It would seem that taking on human form would entail some imperfections.
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Except when he cursed a fig tree....
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Default Or then there was the temple...

Let us not forget the violent and distructive outburst in the Temple when Jesus purportedly drove out the money-changers with a whip and overturned tables.

Resorting to physical violence over theological issues, destruction of public and private property, and disturbing the peace all seem like acts which place Jesus firmly in the "not perfect" catagory.

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No, in GMark Jesus was not thought to be perfect. If he was, why did he need baptism?
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mark 1:4
for "the remission of sins"? Mark 1:4
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. Mark 1:9.
But the parents of JBAP were deemed said to be perfect by au_GLuke.
THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Luke 1:5-6.
See that? Zacharias and Elisabeth were perfect. They were blameless and righteous before the Lord, and kept all the commandments.

Well, "St. Paul" (or some one writing in his name) must never had heard of Zacharias and Elisabeth, else he would never have written "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 6:23. (Bible inerrantists, this is called a contradiction ).

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Except when he cursed a fig tree....
And told his disciples to go steal a donkey for him.
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Another one - not one stone...but I have been to the Wailing Wall!
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