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Old 11-09-2004, 11:36 PM   #11
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The verse in question is:
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A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this. -- Deut 22:5 (NIV)
However, the Bible does not say what sort of clothing is appropriate to which sex, though we do get hints of what the people in it preferred to wear:
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And do not go up to my altar on steps, lest your nakedness be exposed on it. -- Exod 20:26 (NIV)
Yes, you must not expose yourself to an altar. Suggesting that pants and undies were not common items of clothing for those people. However, priests were to wear special undies for certain occasions:
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Make linen undergarments as a covering for the body, reaching from the waist to the thigh. -- Exod 28:42 (NIV)

... and the turban of fine linen, the linen headbands and the undergarments of finely twisted linen. -- Exod 39:28 (NIV)

The priest shall then put on his linen clothes, with linen undergarments next to his body, and shall remove the ashes of the burnt offering that the fire has consumed on the altar and place them beside the altar. -- Lev 6:10 (NIV)

He is to put on the sacred linen tunic, with linen undergarments next to his body; he is to tie the linen sash around him and put on the linen turban. These are sacred garments; so he must bathe himself with water before he puts them on. -- Lev 16:4 (NIV)
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Don't forget that the same chapter prohibits these gender-appropriate items from being made of blended fabrics. Hope those pants are 100% cotton through-and-through, inq, or you're just as evil as a cross-dresser.

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Why aren't they trying to get a Constitutional Amendement that truly "protects marriage" by banning divorce?
Because they've all been divorced themselves. Probably because they treat women in a "Christian" manner.
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Old 11-10-2004, 07:56 PM   #13
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But what if it's lycra/cotton? I don't think the bible metions those. I think it's just wool/linen blends that are disallowed

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This is mroe of a GRD thing, I think.
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Old 11-11-2004, 12:37 AM   #15
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Okay, so what you're telling me is that God hates my girlfriend (a vegetarian who gives a lot of money to charity and believes in waiting for marriage before having sex (sucks to be me )), not because she doesn't believe in him, or because she voted Kerry, but because she wears men's pants? Guh...

and I wore some size 7 women's pants to a costume dance a few weeks ago, too (at a Christian university, even ). Not that it matters; I'm pretty decidedly hellbound anyway.
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Bit of interesting US history on point. Today (November 11) in 1865 the only Congressional Medal of Honor awarded to a woman was awarded to Dr. Mary Edwards Walker She was a staunch advocate of no tobacco, no alcohol, and women wearing men's clothing.

In fact, it appears she ONLY wore men's clothing, and may have been arrested for it!

Good to see how we have progressed since then....
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inquisitive01 please help me out of my cross dressing dilemma.
Since there is a Biblical injunction against cross dressing and since I would not want to anger the Big Guy please help me to figure out if I am in violation of his law.
As an avid (male) kayaker I have been forced to wear a skirt http://www.snapdragondesign.com/ to keep water out of my boat. While it is true that I do look rather fetching in my rubber skirt I assure you that my intentions are mostly utilitarian. Do you think that I should refrain from this terrible unmanly practice? Should I go Inuit and give up my spray skirt in favor of a more manly paddling water stopper like the tuliq shown in these photos http://www.thing.net/~rnonas/web.html .
Please Mr(?) inquisitive01 winter is coming and the water is getting rough. Tuliq or skirt? Would a skirt be OK if I start calling it a kilt?
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Funny-- the way Jesus is typically protrayed he has long hair, as was common in his day.

Ben Franklin, George Washington & others wore wigs as was common in their day.

What about kilts?

I've worn womens' boots in the past because they worked better for me.

HELLO! Not everybody dresses like ancient Israelites or modern day Americans! Guess what? We ain't the center of the universe!

This is all relative, depending on time & culture. You can't apply an absolute standard to something that varies from period to period, from culture to culture. It's plain silly!

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Okay, from a bit of study, that passage is just one example of the large theme of "do not mix categories" in Levitical law. Don't cross-breed your animals, don't plant different crops in one field, don't mix wool and cotten, don't wear clothing for the other gender. For the Jews, keeping something with its own kind was apparently a big deal, and there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that, as it's just an aspect of their culture. There is something wrong with applying those laws to our culture, but that's another issue entirely.

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There is not to be a man's item on a woman,
a man is not to clothe himself in the garment of a woman,
for an abomination to YHWH your God is anyone doing these!
In the original grammatical structure, it was man first, then women. Why did they flip the two?

PS: It's definitely of interest that it says "God hates these people" rather than "God hates this practice." Kind of throws that whole "loving the sinner" thing right out the window, if you ask me.
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Bit of interesting US history on point. Today (November 11) in 1865 the only Congressional Medal of Honor awarded to a woman was awarded to Dr. Mary Edwards Walker She was a staunch advocate of no tobacco, no alcohol, and women wearing men's clothing.

In fact, it appears she ONLY wore men's clothing, and may have been arrested for it!

Good to see how we have progressed since then....
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Walker said her relative was controversial on the battlefield and in civilian life. During the war, she wore trousers under her skirt, a man's uniform jacket and two pistols. As an early women's rights advocate, particularly for dress reform, she was arrested many times after the war for wearing men's clothes,
Remember, the standard women's clothing of those days included corsets that squeezed the internal organs, and long flowing skirts and petticoats that could weigh up to 30 pounds and which brushed up dirt from the floor. "Clothing reform" was a big part of the 19th cen. women's rights movement.
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