markd

I've seen in a couple different places where first mention of Pontius Pilate is in Ignatius. But, seems to me, Matthew and Luke predate Ignatius.
Which is more accurate?

Seems Ignatius died between 80 & 100.

Also, sources seem to hint that most if not all writings were "forgeries".

Any help?

Julian

Here is more information on this than you could ever want: http://www.geocities.com/b_d_muller/ignatius.html

And there is the always useful: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/ignatius.html

Julian

mountainman

Ignatius was a fourth century literary profile for Eusebius
along with the rest of all references to christianity prior
to the appearance of Constantine.

Constantine constructed hundreds of basilicas around the
Roman empire. Unfortunately for the inference that there
were in fact pre-Constantinian christians, there are no older
christian churches, neither any scientific archeological
evidence to support said inference.

Everyone make this inference on the basis of the mass of
writings under Constantine and Eusebius, in which reference
is made to the scanty records of the past (from the 4th CE)
and by which authors such as Ignatius are introduced.

Get outside the square for a moment.



Pete Brown

Chris Weimer

Mark,

Please ignore mountainman above.

judge

Well I don't make the inference on this basis but on the basis , as previously mentioned, that people were following some form of Jesus Christ worship in the parthian empire in the early 4th century at the very latest.

And quoting the peshitta but not the five disputed books at this time.
IOW they had already developed a different canon!!!!!!


Your scenario just seems entirely unplausible on this basis.

Ben C Smith

But try to stay on the planet.

Ben.

markd

I did.

markd

Thanks tons!

yalla

I have seen elsewhere that Iganatius has been dated, like Polycarp, to c160 ce.
Spin had a post about it IIRC.
Something to do about 2 princes.
I'll check.

Oh, and this is a link to a writer who states that all the letters of Ignatius are forgeries from a later time.

http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Ignatia...-Spurious.html

So there are a few possibilities.
cheers
yalla

mountainman

Thanks Ben.

I'll try my darndest.



Pete