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Duvduv · 01-31-2012, 05:21 PM

Not on this Board as far as I know, but you shouldn't be ashamed of the book you wrote on the subject of Agrippa being the true Christ messiah which counts against your recommendations for participants on this Board:

The Real Messiah: The Throne of St. Mark and the True Origins of Christianity [Hardcover] (or via: amazon.co.uk)
Stephan Huller (Author)

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

$50 to any dumb dumb who can demonstrate that I have ever referenced the idea that Jesus was Agrippa

stephan huller · 01-31-2012, 05:41 PM

I don't participate in this forum to promote my book or other propaganda. While many of posts reference Marcion I am truly interested in using the board in order to bounce ideas of off other people. If you'd like to hear why I think there's a good probability the Jewish Mark who was also called John had something to with the Jewish king of the same names I'd be happy to have questions directed at me in this thread as I could base some of mt response on the Acts of Mark

Duvduv · 01-31-2012, 06:10 PM

And I too like to bounce ideas off others without being insulted for what I write.

stephan huller · 01-31-2012, 06:44 PM

I don't mind being insulted. All beasts are pastured by blows.

mountainman · 01-31-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

I don't mind being insulted. All beasts are pastured by blows.

Neither do I, and thanks for the pasture.

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I assume Rene has helped you unmask another “parody” here.

How do you prefer to describe the entire literary phenomenom of the new testament apocrypha?

I have collated a number of academic opinions here.

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"insipid and puerile amplifications" [Ernest Renan]

"excluded by their later and radical light" [John Dominic Crossan]

"severely conditoned responses to Jesus ... usually these authors deny his humanity" [Robert M. Grant]

"they exclude themselves" [M.R. James]

etc
etc
etc

Do you perceive how the above opinions (excepting Grant's) are "canon-centric".

stephan huller · 02-01-2012, 01:02 AM

This is so stupid. Your collecting three word quotations from scholars who certainly don't support your conclusions or your methods is worthless.

Here are some more:

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"excellent" Rex Reed
"must see" Pauline Kael
"terrific" Roger Ebert

All have the relevance with respect to your claims as the nonsense you cite.

Roger Pearse · 02-01-2012, 01:28 AM

Sorry I failed to mention that this is the excerpt from Schneemelcher.

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

The dryness of the 'Martyrium Marci' just discussed evidently stimulated the emergence of new' Acts', in which other sources have been worked in alongside the latter document.

Among them is in the first place the.... (BHG II, 1036m), which was edited for the first time after a Greek codex from the Stavronikita monastery on Mt Athos (13th cent.) by F. Halkin (AnalBoll 87,1969,346-371). What is striking is above all the verbose and rhetorical style of this extensive document, in contrast to the rather prosaic language of most later apostolic Acts. A large part of its contents (cc. 16-35; Halkin 358-371) is a long-winded paraphrase, enriched with additional teratological material, of the Martyrium aheady mentioned. The remains contain numerous statements about Mark's life before his mission in Egypt. Some such details - e.g. Mark as a disciple of John the Baptist (c. 5), as a Levite (c. 2), at his baptism by Peter (c. 4) and as author of the Gospel in Rome (c. 9) - are known especially through the Gospel prologues and arguments (on which see J. Regul, Die antimarcionitischen Evangelienprologe, 1969.30; 47-5O) and in part go to an ancient interpretation of specific biblical passages (e.g. Acts 4:36 and 1 Peter 5:13). The statements about Mark's relations with his mother Mary (c. 4) and with Paul and Barnabas (c. 6) derive mainly from Acts (12:12; 13:5-14), the conflict between Paul and Bamabas because of Mark theree mentioned (Acts 15:37-39) being passed over in silence. F. Halkin (art. cit. 345.354) sees a clear indication of the use of the Acta Barnabae by the author of the present document in the description of Mark's stay on the island of Pityusa ... A further pointer in the same direction is provided by the enigmatic statement of c. 8 about Mark's intention of going 'to the west, to the Gauls'; the counterpart to that is in c. 5 of the Acts of Barnabas ...

Roger Pearse · 02-01-2012, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

I think I am going to get someone to join this forum to constantly suggest that all Biblical texts were written by space aliens. And then another guy who endlessly repeats the argument that the texts were written by highly evolved cats who secretly developed the three monotheistic faiths in order to start an apocalyptic war in the Middle East

No need; just wait and it will happen anyway. That Ignore List facility is there for a reason. This forum is unreadable without it.

andrewcriddle · 02-01-2012, 11:57 AM

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whom the apostles called Barnabas

I have always found this a strange translation. “Prophet” seems a more likely translation of “nabas”

IIUC the Greek could be translated son of (prophetic) exhortation.

Andrew Criddle

stephan huller · 02-01-2012, 01:00 PM

I have never run across a Jew with the name “prophet” in all my readings. Sounds to me like a mistake or a title.

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01-31-2012, 05:41 PM	#22
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I don't participate in this forum to promote my book or other propaganda. While many of posts reference Marcion I am truly interested in using the board in order to bounce ideas of off other people. If you'd like to hear why I think there's a good probability the Jewish Mark who was also called John had something to with the Jewish king of the same names I'd be happy to have questions directed at me in this thread as I could base some of mt response on the Acts of Mark

01-31-2012, 06:10 PM	#23
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	And I too like to bounce ideas off others without being insulted for what I write.

01-31-2012, 06:44 PM	#24
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I don't mind being insulted. All beasts are pastured by blows.

02-01-2012, 01:00 PM	#30
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I have never run across a Jew with the name “prophet” in all my readings. Sounds to me like a mistake or a title.

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