Sauron

Why would they be?

You already tried the "appeal to the audience" idea earlier,remember? You opened an entire thread - and it backfired in your face, when everyone took my side and nobody took yours. Why would you try that same approach again, Mr. Debate Champ?

No, I never said that.

I never said that, either.

1. No need to spend money on something that has already been easily disproven at least a half dozen other ways.

2. You have yet to prove that *anyone's* immortal soul rests on anything here.

No need to. The case is already closed; the Babylon prophecy failed.

lee_merrill

Hi Mata Leao,

They indeed should be reliable...

That's a good point! I will see what I can find with Google maps.

That would be the problem here!

And the skeptics or anyone else can try, that is the other problem...

Regards,
Lee

Sauron

Uh-huh. Says our Debate Champ / Mercenary Iraq Commando, mata leao!


Then why can't you find them, mata?

Wrong. A topographical map will not show you tents, or the Arabs living in them. A topographical map shows you the topograpy.

No, the ancient site is currently a military base of operations for US / Coalition forces, specifically Poland.

Considering your lack of education on the topic, and your inability to support your claims, pardon us if we don't accept your personal speculation as being very important.

Unecessary, since we have photos and the reports of people who have been there.

Was that before, or after, your latest national debate finals? What were you over there to do? Teach "forensic debate" on the resurrection to US troops?

On the contrary. It is a national site, and quite enshrined. It's also a UN World Heritage site. It is roped off for archaeological research, and guarded now against looting -- a valid concern, especially after the theft of thousands of artifacts right after the start of the war. Babylon is a place of research and study. Or at least it *was* being studied, until the US forces started tearing up Babylon.

No, he's pathetically wrong. But if you're interested, he could sure use some help defending his point of view. If you're no better than he is at supporting claims, though, then I don't know what help you can give him. He already has the "claim without proof" trick down pretty pat.

mata leao

sauron says "it is roped off for archaeological research"...hmmmm all those "inhabitants" must surely be amused by those ropes, ....... guarded against looting.....Insults and offensive content removed

mata leao

sauron...strangely silent for hours.......Yes, I get a Americana vente with an extra shot of expresso and some soy milk on my drive down MaCdill Blvd. every morning i have duty at the air force base..... dont' be late with my coffee son..and p.s. I was the U.S. extemporaneous debate champ (2nd place) and it was about thirty years ago at the University of Florida in Gainesville. and Babylon has NOT been rebuilt or re-inhabited!!!!! neither has Tyre for that matter.

Sauron

No, they actually don't like it.

Childish? Wish I could feign surprise for you.

You must be getting old and deaf, even in cyberspace. I already told you: I am not a bean counter.

Professionals? Who would that be, you? Oh, that's right - you claimed to be a national debate champ. And recently in Babylon - just when your argument needed rescuing, too.

I can afford quite a number of things. I simply don't need to do so, since the archaeological, photographic and historical evidence is more than sufficient to shut the case on this paltry prophecy.

Child, you have no idea who I am or what I do for work. How's life in the Florida trailer court?

Sauron

Ah. I was on the phone for 45 minutes and suddenly you think I've left? My, you are impatient for your spankings, aren't you?

Of course the last time you got impatient here, you started opening multiple threads and the moderators shut you down.

Oh, and by the way: I'll also be away for several days during Thanksgiving. Try not to wet your pants while I'm gone, hmmm?

1. Not surprising. Given budget cuts, I'm sure that the military bases sub-contracted their groundskeeping work to civilians long ago.

2. Is that before, or after, you give your lectures on forensic debate at the local community college, Mr. National Debate Champ?

*yawn*
1. Proof. Your list of claims grows long, but your proof is exceedingly short.
2. Explain how you made elementary logic mistakes (i.e., false dichotomy), Mr Debate Champ.

1. Babylon - the prophecy failed for a half-dozen other reasons; the "never re-inhabit" part also failed, but that is just icing on the cake;

2. Tyre didn't need to be rebuilt or re-inhabited; Tyre was never destroyed and has always remained a living, inhabited place.

Amaleq13

Enough with the childish taunts. This thread needs to get back on track to a discussion of the evidence if it is to stay open.


Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

MadMez

OK. So if I can produce an Iraqi who has, or continues to, live within the ancient city of Babylon or has pitched a tent there in that city; With photos, personal information that is verifiable by any of the US MP's there - you'll accept the prophesy as failed? I'm not asking you to give up your faith or anything.

But if the Bible says no arab will pitch his tent there and I can show that one did and lives there yet, do we have a conclusion that this prophesy failed?

John A. Broussard

No, no, no!

You can't win that easily. What arabic dialect does that "arab" speak? It has to be acceptable to mata leao.

What kind of tent? Camel hide only. No discarded U.S. army surplus.

There is absolutely no way you can refute a prohecy that hasn't been specifically described beforehand.

This isn't a scientific prediction, with degrees of probability carefully specified.

This is a god-given bit of divine wisdom. It can't be overturned.