Jeffrey Formosa

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/get_right.shtml I will go to hell or into nothing, I hate this world. I don't like any thing any more, I just wanted a good afterlife but I wont get one whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Hazel-rah

Jeffrey, forgive me if this isn't the response you're looking for, but you seem to starting a lot of threads based on an overpowering sense of desperation.

When long-held beliefs are torn down by a search for truth, it can be very emotionally traumatizing, especially as it concerns matters of mortality and personal existence. You'll find a lot of supportive people on this forum if you will articulate your concerns in a clear, non-confrontational manner.

You will get a lot farther here toward getting real answers to your questions if we know what your questions are.

Jeffrey Formosa

I don't want to be a Christian but I don't want to believe in no afterlife, is the jewish belief good, I am sorry but I can never belive in no afterlife, there must be a afterlife. I am going to try and find ever beliefe there is, maybe I will find the right one.

Jeffrey Formosa

You guys are lucky, you guys most likely never belived in god, I hate this, the thing is I don't belive in god based on him been scum not based on proof.

Hazel-rah

I totally understand your fears. I clung to Deism for a long time, believing in a god without absolutely no evidence at all, because I wanted to believe that there was more out there.

Though I have come to terms with the fact that there is no evidence for the existence of a god of any kind; and no phenomenon that requires god for the explanation; I do not rule out that the universe is a complex place and may yet surprise me.

Until that time, I will not subjugate myself to the misery of mythological shackles just on the off chance that there is a sadistic god out there who thinks it's funny to mess with our minds. We fill our lives with as much joy as we can, do as little harm as possible, and then the ride is over. If there is nothing afterward, we won't mind, will we? As many say on this forum, we didn't mind non-existence before we were born.

Re: Hell: There's less evidence for hell than there is for a god. I'd relax on that point.

Jeffrey Formosa

But I am not believing in god any more because his mind is bull, he is as sick as satan if not more. To get inot heaven is bull, no one some one like him would make people like us, there still may be a afterlife but heaven isn't it, there still might be a god but the Christian god isn't it.

Viti

Most people here were Christians at some point.

Yahzi

Your search is over. What you are seeking is the Holy Church of Yahzi (Reformed Synod). It's tenets are quite simple:

1. Follow the Golden Rule.

2. Stop worrying about shit you can't do anything about anyway, like for instance, what happens when you die.

3. Keep a baseball bat handy.




(Mods: How is it possible that this belongs in BC&H?)

Toto

I think this thread belongs in Secular Lifestyle and Support.

NeoApostate

Actually, I was a devout Christian since 8 and just recently deconverted earlier this year. It was very tough, and nearly killed me. I feel your pain, as I would not wish what I went through on my worst enemy.

I'm finally finding some light at the end of the tunnel, so all I can say is hang in there, no matter what outcome you come to. If you do go back to Christianity and that makes you happy, great. (Though since you, like me, are basing your crisis of faith more on the character of god rather than evidence of existence, I think it would be hard to go back.)

If anything, realize that it's not as bleak as it seems, with "hell or nothing" as you put it. Heck, if you can come to the realization that God's character is lacking, then that seems to show you have a morality that surpasses the concept of a deity, and I think that at least gives some hope for something better than just 'nothing.' There are other religious as well, if like you said you still believe in some concept of a god.

I didn't think there was any hope for quite some time, as when I lost my Christian worldview I had no guides to another, I fell into nihilism for a while and even planned out my own demise. Just find something, anything to hang on to and eventually this will pass.

Not sure if any of this is very helpful - I don't exactly consider myself very wise, so take anything I say with a grain of salt. It's just that I'm reminded of my own experiences that happened recently, and wanted to give what little encouragement I can.