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DanBZ · 06-24-2006, 01:00 PM

I was having a religious discussion with someone, and we got to the historicity of Jesus. He claims that recnetly, thay were clearing land to extend a prison in israel and they found a mosaic there claiming evidence of Jesus.

Can anyone tell me about this? It sounds suspicious.

S.C.Carlson · 06-24-2006, 01:09 PM

It sounds like last year's find at Megiddo (e.g. Jerusalem Post). The find is a mosaic that provides evidence of a 3rd-4th Christian church, which is a big deal to archeologists because there are not that many. It is too late, however, to provide evidence for Jesus's historicity.

Stephen Carlson

DanBZ · 06-24-2006, 01:18 PM

It';s that late? They guy told me it dated to 50 a.d.

But the link sould like exactly what he described. Thanks.

S.C.Carlson · 06-24-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DanBZ

It';s that late? They guy told me it dated to 50 a.d.

Yes it is that late. If it really dated 50, it would be plastered all over the media, and you wouldn't be asking about it here.

Stephen

Malachi151 · 06-24-2006, 02:12 PM

Actually the details of this church may refute the idea of a historical Jesus. I'm still waiting for publication of full translations of all the texts found, but so far the only translations I have seen refer to Jesus as a god. There are no images of Jesus and no crosses, only fish.

I forget the website where I found the most translations, but I remember that they all sounded like "some guy in the sky Jesus", not "some guy that died on a cross Jesus".

RUmike · 06-24-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

Actually the details of this church may refute the idea of a historical Jesus. I'm still waiting for publication of full translations of all the texts found, but so far the only translations I have seen refer to Jesus as a god. There are no images of Jesus and no crosses, only fish.

I forget the website where I found the most translations, but I remember that they all sounded like "some guy in the sky Jesus", not "some guy that died on a cross Jesus".

How does what a bunch of 3rd-4th century Christians think have anything to do with the historical person Jesus, or lack thereof? Unless you believe that in the 3rd-4th century NO ONE had yet considered Jesus an actual man, this lends absolutely nothing to your case.

Clivedurdle · 06-25-2006, 02:04 PM

3rd century is from 200 AD. If we have a church using fish symbols and talking about a jesus god, we have clear evidence of that perspective.

We also have evidence from the 150's of the orthodox version.

Two versions of xianity that early is of note and I thought confirms existing findings. But which came first? The orthodoxy admitted god- man parallels from other religions, and explained them as the work of satan, so the orthodoxy actually admit mj thinking was pre-existing their hj ideas!

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DanBZ Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 245	Mosaic found when prison was being built, evidence of Jesus I was having a religious discussion with someone, and we got to the historicity of Jesus. He claims that recnetly, thay were clearing land to extend a prison in israel and they found a mosaic there claiming evidence of Jesus. Can anyone tell me about this? It sounds suspicious.

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06-24-2006, 01:09 PM	#2
S.C.Carlson Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,307	It sounds like last year's find at Megiddo (e.g. Jerusalem Post). The find is a mosaic that provides evidence of a 3rd-4th Christian church, which is a big deal to archeologists because there are not that many. It is too late, however, to provide evidence for Jesus's historicity. Stephen Carlson

06-24-2006, 01:18 PM	#3
DanBZ Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 245	It';s that late? They guy told me it dated to 50 a.d. But the link sould like exactly what he described. Thanks.

06-24-2006, 02:12 PM	#5
Malachi151 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,674	Actually the details of this church may refute the idea of a historical Jesus. I'm still waiting for publication of full translations of all the texts found, but so far the only translations I have seen refer to Jesus as a god. There are no images of Jesus and no crosses, only fish. I forget the website where I found the most translations, but I remember that they all sounded like "some guy in the sky Jesus", not "some guy that died on a cross Jesus".

06-25-2006, 02:04 PM	#7
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	3rd century is from 200 AD. If we have a church using fish symbols and talking about a jesus god, we have clear evidence of that perspective. We also have evidence from the 150's of the orthodox version. Two versions of xianity that early is of note and I thought confirms existing findings. But which came first? The orthodoxy admitted god- man parallels from other religions, and explained them as the work of satan, so the orthodoxy actually admit mj thinking was pre-existing their hj ideas!

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