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TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:38 PM

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hmm...So your saying you would pick and choose what is historical out of the bible...seems illogical.

Nice...

Not really. Think Gone With the Wind. Lots of historically accurate stuff in there, but the story itself is fiction.

Sauron · 06-05-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by one allegiance

Ok dude... do you see a trend here. All you did was say that I was wrong. You gave me NO evidence to the contrary

Yes, I see a trend.

1. You make an unsupported claim.
2. People don't accept it and tell you that you're wrong.
3. You expect others to disprove your claim, instead of you doing the necessary work to prove your claim is right.

It's called "shifting the burden of proof". It won't work around here.

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and you even called me a liar when I lied about nothing. Everything that I had to say you said "so what?"

That's because you haven't (a) shown your claim to be true, and (b) demonstrated how it proves your point.

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If you want to even beging to refute what I have to say, you have to show me evidence CONTRARY to every event that I described, which you did not do.

Flatly incorrect. He doesn't have any obligation to disprove; he isn't the one running around here tossing out claims. He who claims, has burden of proof. That would be YOU, poptart.

TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by one allegiance

Of course there is evidence to the contrary...there wouldn't be a problem if there wasn't. And the flood WASN'T world wide. Look, I know it makes you feel really cool to try and shove stuff back in my or other theists faces, but just b/c there isn't adequate evidence now doesn't mean there will never be evidence..

ALL the evidence is against it. ALL OF IT. There is NO evidence in favor of it. NONE. Now of course, it is possible that there could someday be some evidence, but are you asking us to believe something on that basis? Because in that case I'm trapped in Nigeria with $20,000, and need your help to transfer the money to the U.S.

TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:43 PM

one allegiance: How did Judas die?

TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by one allegiance

Maybe the sites I posted weren't sufficient but it still doesn't cancel the fact that the flood COULD have happened. There is no evidence that can disprove it. All you have is "uniformity". With that you are really begging the question, b/c there is NO real way to scientifically prove it...you can just make assumptions. The burden of proof isn't just on me, as many of you seem to think, it is on all of us.

No, actually it couldn't. There isn't enough water to flood the entire planet. The burden of proof is on you for any assertion you make. I accept the same burden for any assertion I make. So be very careful when making assertions!

TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriarch Verlch

Did the Jews get rescued from Egypt? Is that why they celebrate the Passover? When Moses parted the Red Sea. I mean come on, just because they celebrate it ever year, does that mean it really happened?

No, actually, recent archeology seems to indicate that it didn't.

TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriarch Verlch

Did you miss the fact the earth is covered with 75% water? Yes it is possible for the flood to have happened, and in the fossil record we find fossils of fish with snapped necks, gasping for air. Didn't look like a slow process.

Jesus of Nazareth existed, you just want to question His Divinity, that is the only reason you even bring him up. The most central figure in Christendom. Go for it, it isn't going to get you any closer to watching Primordial Soup springing into LIFE.

Which I think it is good and all that He spends so much time catering to the ideas and what they think of him, when these same know it alls will be dead in a few short years. We all will be dead, so prepare to meet thy maker!!!! You can rest assured of that. You can prepare your worm food box just the way you like it. I'll just be in mine for a short while. A quick nap and back in action.

Patriarch: I just want to welcome you to IIDB. I can see I'm going to enjoy you a lot.

TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by one allegiance

I don't know if you all are aware of the whole Council of Nicea thing and Constatine. But they were both very real. The council decided the deity of Jesus. Unless of course you want to say Constantine wasn't a real person. You guys need to look at ALL of history.

Little tip for you, one: I promise you that any subject you think you know a lot about, there is someone reading your post who knows a hell of a lot more than you. We know about the Council of Nicea. We know the early church had a meeting and a vote and decided what parts to leave in the bible and what parts to throw out, and that they did so solely on the basis of how they wanted to doctrine to end up. How does this strengthen your case?

TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by one allegiance

I can see where this is heading from the first sentence. "We would expect to observe a uniform, worldwide blanket of randomly sorted boulders, cobbles, sand, and silt overlain by a layer of clay. " The bold word there is the key word. Uniformity. You rely on uniformity to tell you that it can't happen. You are begging the question. You have nothing to base natural law off of. In other words, you don't know that the future will be anything like the past by just observing the past. ASSUMING absolute uniformity is against this occurence. You can't KNOW that there could be uniformity b/c you would be able to see the future. It legislates the meaning instead of looking for it. You can make assumtions all you want from uniformity, but you are negating the scientific method in the very act.

All in all this site was obviously presuppositioned and makes a bunch of fallacious claims.

You misunderstood the quote. Read it again. This is what we would expect to see if there had been a flood. The fact that we don't indicates that there wasn't. Believe me, there is not a working geologist who believes in this flood. Why do you think that is? Anything to do with the evidence?

TomboyMom · 06-05-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by o.a.

haha see how mad your getting...

What is it about Christians that makes them enjoy annoying other people? Just rudeness, or something more?

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