Keith&Co.

As you mention, he pretty much parses white supremacist rhetoric, realigned to gays. I suspect that any arguments he can offer for gay marriage will echo the ones offered a few years back against interracial marriage.

They said that such marriages would be infertile, or that it would bring white family lines to an end, slurs about the superiors mixing with the lessors, concerns about the economic impacts (There, it was real estate values, now i hear people complaining that married gays will take undue advantage of company insurance policies...), and bible verses are offered.

In fact, Romney spent some time trying to prevent gay marriages in Mass by using an old law that was set up because of interracial marriage prohibitions.

But hey, maybe he can come up with something original!

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spamandham

Moses had a magic stick. Magic sticks don't exist. Therefor, wielders of magic sticks don't exist. My source is the book you worship.

Arguing that there is more evidence for Moses than Jesus or Peter Pan isn't very compelling. All you have are ridiculous stories in a book filled with nonsense from start to finish.

That isn't evidence of the absurd, regardless of how many rivers, mountains, or ancient kings are mentioned, any more than mentioning Pilate, Herod, or Jerusalem makes the nonsense about Jesus real.

spamandham

Reproduction isn't an existential issue. If the human race ends when/after we die (and it eventually will), that has no impact on our lives.

(I'm guessing that you think your nonsense nonpoints somehow make sense if you end every post with a :wave:?)

storytime

In ancient days(2000+) years ago, reproduction WAS an existential issue. Homosexuality was part of the lifestyle and culture among Egyptians, Assyrians, and whatever other people. But...the lawgivers for Israel saw the need for lots of children who would grow up to become warriors and take land. Israel could not survive if same sex couples became the majority lifestyle. And Israelites were commanded to increase their birthrate -"be fruitful and multiply". Sons of Judah were killed[by Yahweh] because they spilled their seed on the ground instead of impregnating a woman.

So it seems that homosexuality itself was not specifically the offense, but unwillingness to reproduce children for war was at the heart of the command.

Keith&Co.

I always got the impression when sugarhitman did it, that it meant he'd put that particular issue, whatever issue, to rest, wave bye-bye, there's nothing more to be said on the topic.

I guess there's no 'so there' icon.

semiopen

Interesting point, it probably is worth noting that the commandment can also be translated as .. "not murder." I'm not fluent in Hebrew by any means but I think the word used "Tirzakh" is somewhere in between the two English meanings.

Regarding the homosexuality issue, it seems that the negative argument is now equating homosexuality with masturbation, or perhaps even heterosexual sex where some kind of birth control is used. I don't see where these sins are too serious.

I remember on Religulous that Bill Maher interviewed a "reformed homosexual", I'm not aware of any people who have publicly renounced masturbating because it is a sin. Seems like a double standard.

storytime

I've yet to see the movie and only a few clips from promo's.

IamJoseph

LOL! This law is the first of the 613 laws in the Hebrew bibe - appearing in Genesis before the advent of Israel or any religions. It applies to all humanity.

My history research says Jews have never stolen anyone's land in all their 4000 year history - and that her own land was constantly stolen - specially by a new kid in the block proclaiming NO OTHER RELIGION CAN PREVAIL IN ARABIA'! Nor do the Jews have a history of dumping mosques on other peoples' sacred sites [Jerusalem, India, Europe, Asia, etc] - then bodly claiming the Jerusalem Temple was a zionist plot - ya mean like 9/11 yah?! Whatzamatter - Haj Sq Mecca loosing its lustre as # 1 sacred spot!? :wave:

IamJoseph

Is that a non-nonsense? Does negation impact our lives - you think! :wave:

spamandham

No, it's just plain old nonsense.

a. Homosexuality has existed for all of human history, and population continues to grow exponentially.

b. The human race *will* some day cease to exist. It matters not to my existence whether that happens 1000 years from now or a trillion years from now. I'll be dead long before either.

:wave: (not sure what this is supposed to mean, but I assume it's a freindly gesture since you end every post with it)