Duvduv

For heaven's sake, we are not discussing one's FAITH in stories from books deemed to be of divine or prophetic origin. We are discussing FAITH in ancient history secular texts attributed to a person by the name of Josephus who allegedly lived in the first century, but whose existence cannot, I repeat, CANNOT be verified empirically.

More specifically, we are discussing cases of corroboration of claims made in those same texts attributed to someone named Josephus and the fact that those claims related to Judaism have no corroboration in any ancient Jewish religious texts at all.

See the difference yet??

aa5874

This is BC&H. I am dealing specifically with claims made in Bibles, including that of the Jews.

I repeat, the Jewish Bible is filled with Fiction and events that cannot be historically accurate yet Jews believe their Bible WITHOUT corroboration.

Josephus did write about the history of the Jews, the War of the Jews, the Major Sects of the Jews, the Jewish Temple, Jerusalem, Judea, Galilee, Samaria, and the customs of Jews and events in the 1st century that have been CORROBORATED by CONTEMPORARY Roman writers.

Duvduv

...I thought this was FRDB......anyway, we are NOT talking about the Bible, so stop the distractions. You were challenging me on Josephus, and last time I looked Josephus was not a book of the Bible. And I specifically said that the points I raised on that text's claims in relation to Judaism and Jews have never been corroborated by a single Jewish text of antiquity. Please stick to the point at hand.

aa5874

This is BIBLICAL CRITICISM AND HISTORY [BC&H].

I am challenging you. The Hebrew Bible of the Jews is FAR less credible than the writings of Josephus.

The claims of Josephus about events in Judaea in the 1st century have been corroborated by CONTEMPORARY Roman writers.

Roman writers have NOT corroborated stories in the Hebrew Bible about Adam and Eve, Moses dividing the sea, Samson, Goliath,Noah, Daniel in the Lion's Den and the Talking ASS.

outhouse

Jews and Judaism in the first century was so diverse, not much has been corroborated.

Speculation is as good as it gets for Zealots, Galilee, God-Fearers, Joshua, John ect ect ect

Duvduv

The claims made by the writings attributed to Josephus are pertinent to the INTERNAL views, beliefs and events of the Jewish People in the period involved. Not a single Jewish text of antiquity has corroborated any of the cases I have mentioned, and instead of acknowledging that, you simple engage in your diversion of generalities having nothing to do with what the original point involved. This makes no sense at all, especially since you cannot confirm who actually wrote the Roman texts and when. And regardless, you still cannot deal with the implications of the fact that not a single Jewish text of antiquity addresses them.
Why do you do that?

Duvduv

The Talmud and Midrashim comprise thousands and thousands of pages. They cover many issues pertaining to events of various periods in Jewish history, and yet in this case, they do not offer a single word about the matters I raised. Nothing. Nada. Gornisht. Rien. Niente. Nichevo.
And yet one would say this does not matter at all. How ridiculous.

aa5874

Josephus' works consists of many books and cover many issues pertaining to 1st century Jewish history and are corroborated by Roman writers, historians and archaeologists.

Duvduv

That's correct, and what do they cover??? The world of ancient India in the 1st century? They development of Maya civilization in the 1st century? The defeat of the Chinese dynasty in the 1st century??

THEY DEAL with issues concerning the Jews and their religion in the 1st century.

Now, what does the Talmud concern? Laws and events in the life of the Bantus? The world of the Slavs or Mongols?

THEY DEAL with issues concerning the Jews and their religion in the 1st century.

AND JUST LIKE THE TALMUD AND MIDRASHIM DO NOT CORROBORATE ANYTHING OF THE NEW TESTAMENT REGARDING A 1ST CENTURY JESUS, THEY DO NOT CORROBORATE THE EVENTS DISCUSSED IN JOSEPHUS.

You still don't get it, AA, do you?

aa5874

No, you can't get it.

Josephus was a 1ST century writer and did NOT corroborate the Jesus story.

Roman writers CORROBORATED Josephus.

Historians today corroborate Josephus.

Archeologists today corroborate Josephus.