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Old 03-04-2010, 08:53 PM   #41
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Yeah, I know. That's why I preceded my assertion with that if condition statement. If you claim that the position has not been falsified at all, then go ahead and tell me what would falsify it just a little bit.
In spite of the relatively good quantity of evidence we are examining, it really is crap in quality. All of it has been worked and reworked over and over and it's very difficult to tell which ideas belong to which layer. Even if we could tell, religious writings are a lot like political writings in their degree of propaganda and intentional deception. A very fine baloney detection kit is required even of pristine religious texts.

The quality is no-where even remotely good enough to falsify any moderately reasonable proposition, nor even quite a few half-baked ones.

The best we can do is look for the position requiring the fewest number of miles of bridgework to harmonize, since the data is inconsistent to lesser and greater degrees with every proposition thus devised.
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Paul's use of the apparent greek homonym (delivered) which is not meant to be translated as betrayal can give us an insight into Paul's occupation. If Paul was previously a messenger/cater sometime in the first century it's possible that in his haste to deliver a message/food of some kind he suffered an accident while on horseback (Perhaps the slogan the company he worked for was "Delivered before sundown or it's free." ;). In any event after this fall he suffered some head trauma where he imagined the entire NT as we have it to date. In addition, the fall triggered an underlying condition of Paul's multiple personality disorder. Thus, Paul wrote all of the gospels while under the different personalities of the different writers. Still, Paul continued in the tradition of delivering his writings far and wide as he did previously. In addition to delivering writings he apparently continued to deliver food and wine and indicated in the following verse.
I think if you look into MPD (which I have not except in passing), you'll find that the various personalities nonetheless tend to use the same vocabulary in about the same way (they are afterall, all really the same person). I believe that writing style analysis has been used to definitely show that the 4 gospels are different authors, and that the genuine epistles are plausibly all the same author.

If I'm right, this would invalidate your conjecture, but I don't have a dog in that fight so I'm not going to try to prove it.
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Yeah, I know. That's why I preceded my assertion with that if condition statement. If you claim that the position has not been falsified at all, then go ahead and tell me what would falsify it just a little bit.
In spite of the relatively good quantity of evidence we are examining, it really is crap in quality. All of it has been worked and reworked over and over and it's very difficult to tell which ideas belong to which layer. Even if we could tell, religious writings are a lot like political writings in their degree of propaganda and intentional deception. A very fine baloney detection kit is required even of pristine religious texts.

The quality is no-where even remotely good enough to falsify any moderately reasonable proposition, nor even quite a few half-baked ones.

The best we can do is look for the position requiring the fewest number of miles of bridgework to harmonize, since the data is inconsistent to lesser and greater degrees with every proposition thus devised.
I'll drink to that.
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I'll drink to that.


So will I (lifting glass of merlot to lips).
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