Eckz

Fact or fiction?

I have a Christian trying to tell me that there is a lot of evidence for Jesus' Resurrection, and that people were apparantly put to death (who could've gotten out of death if they merely said "Jesus wasn't resurrected") for it (he linked me to this: http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/eusebius.html ). Basically, what I'm wondering is which direction do the facts point?

Oh and he (like the typical closed-minded fool) ignored the fact that bible accounts of the resurrection are contradictory.

Toto

Richard Carrier is a professional historian and has examined every aspect of that claim in these essays: Why I Don't Buy the Resurrection Story

BlakeEM

There is no real evidence of this. There is no known physical evidence that Jesus ever existed in the first place.

I doubt they would really be able to give you any real proof, even if they strech the truth.

Toto

This is a variation on the "why would they die for a lie?" argument. But people die for lies all the time - look at Islamic suicide bombers, Heaven's Gate cultists, etc. The fact that someone is willing to die for X does not mean that X is true.

Besides, it is unlikely that anyone was put to death who could have gotten out of it by saying that Jesus wasn't resurrected. More likely they could have gotten out of it by performing a pagan ritual and sacrificing to the emperor or the Roman gods. But the Romans didn't care if anyone was resurrected or not - lots of people were "resurrected" in those days.

And Eusebius is not the most reliable source.

funinspace

This is from the link you cited. There is nothing beyond legends backing the accounts of Paul's and Peter's end. The fact that Eusebius uses this as an argument provides a hint to the quality of his work. He was a supreme leach to the powers that be, and re-wrote several drafts to keep up with the changes in dogma at the time. Like others have said, the xian canon is the singular source for the claims. There are a couple other vague and short references to Jesus in the 100 years after the traditional claims for his lifetime. That's it. I would also recommend reading Richard Carrier's paper.

DOOMgeek667

look at it from a logical point of view, no facts given or recieved: It is IMPOSSIBLE to ressurect from the dead. Most bible stories involving "miracles" are simply either made up, or exaggerated.

Eckz

yeah but this isn't gonna do anything to convince a christian

DOOMgeek667

tell the christian to look at it like i do. Tell him/her to pretend to be a third party aithest looking at religion. Tell him/her to look at it as a false hope. That cannot be scientificly explained.

Jehanne

Dozens of “eyewitnesses� have claimed that they saw real space aliens there, also! :notworthy Here’s a wonderful link:

http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/1...r2_062797.html

As you listen to the program, note the parallels between Roswell and Jesus’ “resurrection� from the dead.

Regards,

Don