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But, what you posted about Justin Martyr has very little to do with fraud but are theological in nature. Justin Martyr is claiming that people who do not believe his theology are of the devil.
Justin appears to think that the Devil had some fore-knowledge of the advent of Jesus and therefore caused others to do the very miracles and do the very rituals that the believers now practised before Jesus came to earth. There is a massive difference between theological arguments and fraud. Now, once you are aware that it is highly likely that the "TF" was a forgery, it must be realised that the reply from the Emperor to Justin's Apology may not have been written by Justin Martyr. The body of Justin Martyr's writings show very little or no indication of tampering by interpolators except with the Emperor's reply. And, it is Justin Martyr's writings that can be used to show that virtually the entire Canon NT as found today was not known or used in the 2nd century. Justin Martyr only seemed aware of a revelation written by John and anonymous writings called MEMOIRS OF THE APOSTLES. He did not mention any Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. He did not write about one single event in Acts of the Apostles even though he mentioned Simon Magus who was featured in Acts. Justin MARTYR wrote nothing about any bishops of Rome. He wrote nothing about any Canon with 4 Gospels and Epistles to the Churches. Justin Martyr wrote nothing about Saul/Paul or any Epistle to a Church or any person even though he mentioned Marcion. Justin Martyr is a hostile witness to the History of the Church by the writer called Eusebius. And Eusebius scarcely used any information from Justin Martyr, he surely could not find any history of the Church in Justin's writings, but the writer Eusebius introduced us to a fraudster who supposedly lived in the 2nd century that claimed Jesus was over fifty years when he died. This fraudster is under the name Irenaeus. Now, compare Justin Martyr to Irenaeus. Irenaeus knew every Gospel by the name of their supposed authors. He knew Acts of the Apostles. Ireneus knew every Pauline Epistle to the Churches. Irenaeus had information about the first 12 bishops Rome and their names. Irenaeus knew Polycarp who knew an apostle. Irenaeus knew people who knew John the Apostle. Irenaeus had information from Papias. Irenaeus must have been a goldmine for Eusebius, except he did not know Jesus could not be fifty years old if he was 30 years in the 15th year of Tiberius and was crucified under Pilate. Eusebius would use Irenaeus extensively for the History of the Church. But, we know the writer using the name Irenaeus was a fraud. He did not even establish the age of Jesus at his supposed death and he claimed that he personally knew people who met characters who did not ever exist. I cannot find such errors in Justin Marty's writings. He did not mention he knew or met any who personally knew and conversed with fictitious characters such as the fiction characters called apostle Cephas/Peter and John. Quote:
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02-14-2010, 04:18 PM | #22 |
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Yes, of course, this is an emminent possibility. Hypothetically, the entire output of Justin Martyr (and Irenaeus, etc) may not have been written by Justin Martyr (and Irenaeus, etc) in the "early period" at all.
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This is a partial list of fraudulent material, wholly or in part, that appear to have come from the Church. Writings under the name Ignatius, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen and Eusebius. This is a partial list of material that appear to have little or no tampering by the Church. Writings under the name of Justin Martyr, Municius Felix, Theophilus of Antioch Athenagoras of Athens, and Philo of Alexandria. "Church History" under the name Eusebius and the writings of Justin Martyr are extremely important document in understanding the true history of Jesus believers. |
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At Brading Isle of Wight is a Roman Villa, third century, with a mosaic that has in its four corners the four signs of the evangelists.
This is claimed in the tourist literature to be evidence of xianity. Why precisely is this site not more commonly discussed as evidence of xianity? http://www.bradingromanvilla.org.uk/index.php |
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