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I DON'T NEED TO. I'VE SHOWN YOU HOW "de" IS CONSISTENTLY TRANSLATED AND YOU'VE NOT SHOWN ME ANY DIFFERENT. ALL YOU'VE DONE IS ASSERTED.

SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

RIGHT. I haven't shown inconsistancy. I've shown CONSISTENCY. YOU'VE YET TO SHOW ANYTHING EXCEPT ASSERTIONS.

SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

We're talking about a conjunction here, not a verb, not a noun. If you're going to make up analogies, at least do it right.

How about Latin:
{5:42} Et confestim surrexit puella, et ambulabat: erat autem annorum duodecim: et obstupuerunt stupore magno.
{5:42} And immediately the young girl rose up and walked. Now she was twelve years old. And they were suddenly struck with a great astonishment.

{14:1} Erat autem Pascha et Azyma post biduum: et quærebant summi sacerdotes, et scribæ quomodo eum dolo tenerent, et occiderent.
{14:1} Now the feast of Passover and of Unleavened Bread was two days away. And the leaders of the priests, and the scribes, were seeking a means by which they might deceitfully seize him and kill him.

{15:25} Erat autem hora tertia: et crucifixerunt eum.
{15:25} Now it was the third hour. And they crucified him.

{21:37} Erat autem diebus docens in templo: noctibus vero exiens, morabatur in monte, qui vocatur Oliveti.
{21:37} Now in the daytime, he was teaching in the temple. But truly, departing in the evening, he lodged on the mount that is called Olivet.

{23:44} Erat autem fere hora sexta, et tenebræ factæ sunt in universam terram usque ad horam nonam.
{23:44} Now it was nearly the sixth hour, and a darkness occurred over the entire earth, until the ninth hour.

{5:9} Et statim sanus factus est homo ille: et sustulit grabatum suum, et ambulabat. Erat autem Sabbatum in die illo.
{5:9} And immediately the man was healed. And he took up his stretcher and walked. Now this day was the Sabbath.

{6:4} Erat autem proximum Pascha dies festus Iudæorum.
{6:4} Now the Passover, the feast day of the Jews, was near.

{7:2} Erat autem in proximo dies festus Iudæorum, Scenopegia.
{7:2} Now the feast day of the Jews, the Feast of Tabernacles, was near.

{9:14} Erat autem Sabbatum quando lutum fecit Iesus, et aperuit oculos eius.
{9:14} Now it was the Sabbath, when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes.

{13:30} Cum ergo accepisset ille buccellam, exivit continuo. Erat autem nox.
{13:30} Therefore, having accepted the morsel, he went out immediately. And it was night.

{18:28} Adducunt ergo Iesum a Caipha in prætorium. Erat autem mane: et ipsi non introierunt in prætorium, ut non contaminarentur, sed ut manducarent Pascha.
{18:28} Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas into the praetorium. Now it was morning, and so they did not enter into the praetorium, so that they would not be defiled, but might eat the Passover.

{19:14} Erat autem parasceve Paschæ, hora quasi sexta, et dicit Iudæis: Ecce rex vester.
{19:14} Now it was the preparation day of the Passover, about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your king.”

Are all related noun clauses, designating periods of time, with the predicate "Now [it] was". And, if you notice, extra words are added to denote "prior to" those periods of time...which John 19:14 DOES NOT HAVE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'll go slow, for you....

"first day of the week", "first of the sabbaths", "the passover of the Jews", "a sabbath on that day", "the feast of the Jews", "a sabbath", "the third hour", "the preparation of the passover"

.....are all going to be translated that same way, no matter how "de" is translated. They are all nouns/noun phrases that designate a period of time. Just like, "Noon", "Friday the 13th", "March", or "New Year's Eve".

YOU are asserting that "And it was", should be translated differently, depending on which of those phrases it is attached to. You're inventing some special rule for "New Year's Eve", that you don't think applies to "Noon", "Friday the 13th", or "March".

WHAT I'M SAYING IS...it would be the same translation for all of them. Either their all wrong, and you need to prove it, or they're all right.

Plus, you're claiming that, since it is stated "Because it was New Year's Eve" or "Since it was New Year's Eve", elsewhere, that "And it was New Year's Eve" must mean "before New Year's Eve", just because the others don't use the word "and". Which is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous. It is NOT evidence of anything, except the fact they used different wording.

Plus, you aren't even using the word "de" correctly.

PLUS! You're now interpreting the Bible WRONG, yet again, by saying they took him to Pilate in the afternoon. That's TOTAL RUBBISH!

YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, DUDE!

IT DOES NOT MEAN "just before". PROVE YOUR FREAKIN ASSERTIONS! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

New Church translation of the New Testament:
δε conjunction
de deh
but, and, etc. -- also, and, but, moreover, now (often unexpressed in English).

Classical Greek Online: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/l...grkol-2-R.html
From the Iliad, including a few different English translations:
d' -- particle; <de> and, on the other hand -- and
de -- particle; <de> and, on the other hand -- and
de -- particle; <de> and, on the other hand -- but

pollas d' iphthimous psuchas Haidi proiapsen
and many valiant souls were sent forth to Hades
and hurled down into Hades many strong souls of heroes,
and sent forth to Hades many valiant souls of heroes,
Many a brave soul did it send hurrying down to Hades,

hêrôôn, autous de helôria teuche kunessin
and those warriors were made spoils for dogs
and gave their bodies to be a prey to dogs
and made them themselves spoil for dogs
and many a hero did it yield a prey to dogs

oiônoisi te pasi, Dios d' eteleieto boulê,
and for all the birds of prey, and the will of Zeus was fulfilled
and all winged fowls; and so the counsel of Zeus wrought out its accomplishment
and every bird; thus the plan of Zeus came to fulfillment,
and vultures, for so were the counsels of Jove fulfilled

nouson ana straton ôrse kakên, olekonto de laoi,
brought about an evil sickness on the army and people were perishing
sent a sore plague upon the host, so that the folk began to perish,
roused throughout the host an evil pestilence, and the people began to perish,
sent a pestilence upon the host to plague the people,

Atreida de malista duô, kosmêtore laôn;
but chiefly the two sons of Atreus commanders of the people
and most of all to the two sons of Atreus, orderers of the host;
but most of all the two sons of Atreus, the marshallers of the people:
but most of all the two sons of Atreus, who were their chiefs.

ekpersai Priamoio polin, eu d' oikad' hikesthai!
that you destroy the city of Priam and safely return home
for you to lay waste the city of Priam, and to fare happily homeward;
that you sack the city of Priam, and return safe to your homes;
you to sack the city of Priam, and to reach your homes in safety;

paida d' emoi lusaite philên, ta d' apoina dechesthai,
and free my dear child to me and receive the ransom
only set ye my dear child free, and accept the ransom
but my dear child release to me, and accept the ransom
but free my daughter, and accept a ransom for her,

LOL. You are proving John 19:14 wrong, with your assertions about John 19:14? Sorry, but that's not how it works. Show me one example of the translation you're describing. PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

It's something new? It has been translated from Greek to other languages, for 1500+ years. What the hell do you mean it's something new? And, what the hell do you mean they presume the Bible is full of errors, and don't pay attention to detail?!!! Most of the translators have been Christians who believed it's the "word of God". You're just talking bullshit.

What the hell NASA has to do with translating Greek, I don't know...but, quit lying about their position.

NASA:
They state that Thales did it, just that they don't know his specific method for doing it.


Peace

Toto

NOTE: You might have noticed that Larsguy47 has been banned. His appearance here seems to be part of an elaborate hoax. Not all of the details are clear yet, but there's no point in trying to argue against him. I will leave this thread open for now.