D2_Supreme

Hello fellow Internet Infidels

I'm looking for credible resources that tackle the Bible's historicity. Has it been sufficiently debunked, or is there still enough uncertainty over the issue for it to remain debatable?

I believe that essentially all Belief vs. Non-belief discussions, no matter how lengthy some become, are inevitably just a matter of believing. But as long as someone attempts to base their belief on "Fact," I would like to see the nature of these facts and see if they hold true.

A friend of mine claims to have based his Christian faith solely on "the facts." I ask him which facts, and he points to the Bible. Prophecy this, History that.

My question is, is there a resource that has debunked the historicity of MANY issues in the Bible?

MadMez

Being an Internet Infidel, like me, you'll find the best resource for debunking the bible in the fluffy area between your ears.

As, like me, you probably found only mirth and hilarity in the explanations provided by bibles, preachers and wiggly tracts stabbing away at excuses for non compliance with their doctrine, and end up googling for a forum to try to find like minded people who share this failure to understand "god".

Then, having found this place, you'll join and pop a few posts, and find that your original discouragement is well founded and no religion or god can pass the test of honesty and reason.

But, wait, I see as your profile lists you as a Christian and you claim to have a friend as a Christian from who you need to debunk certain facts? No?

So why would you pose such a plea for help? Are you now an infidel, finding yourself so soo captured by reason in need to help this Christian see fault in, say, Genesis?

Eh?

youngalexander

Comes under the heading of Basic Questions. There are extensive resources here and a raft of references here

Steve Weiss

You are a Christian, a Catholic no less, and you want to debunk the bible? Say what? Aren't you a bit confused? Are you really wanting to debunk the bible for yourself or a would-be friend?

And those who allocate time to debunking the bible have the cart before the horse. Not one story that forms the core of both the OT and NT is either credible or possible. These fantastic stories are pure fiction with a few actual names and places thrown in to give them the unearned appearance of being historical accounts. Miracles don't happen and remove miracles and supernaturalism from the bible, and all one has is literature having a very dubious and bizarre content. The bible, like religion itself, is neither true nor false; it is in the category of the arbitrary. Entertainment it might be for the perversely-minded among us, but truthful and accurate, not a bit.

Vinnie

Define many. Most of the statements are ultimately untestable. Some things have been shown accurate and others lack evidence (that should rightly be suspected) and others simply look like the fallble weavings of a human scribes.

Most of the Bible is not "history" to begin with. Even a cursory examination in the CS reveals only four possibilities (Mt, Mk, Jn, Lk-Acts) and whether or not these were intendend to be "histories" is debatable. The HS are a different story.

Vinnie

aa5874

The Bible easily debunks itself, and in retrospect, the authors should have been read, anachronistically, their Miranada Rights.

Well, see if these hold true: There are at least 3 different characters in the NT referred to as Jesus the Christ and there are at least 3 different characters referred to as Paul.

RAFH

http://www.bare-jesus.net/etricksindex.htm
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspo...s-word_12.html
http://www.geocities.com/wwu777us/De..._Arguments.htm
http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2006/march/barker.php
http://www.skepticfiles.org/skeptic2/1back94.htm
http://exchristian.net/archived.php
http://www.geocities.com/atheistdivine/authentic.html
http://walkawayers.org/resources-criticism/
http://home.triad.rr.com/dyrwen/gial.htm
http://www.atheists.com/modules.php?...wtopic&p=67885
http://killtheafterlife.blogspot.com...christian.html
http://mycaseagainstgod.blogspot.com...ory-bible.html
http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/ref...siahlinks.html
http://www.writingup.com/node/56159
http://inthenuts.blogspot.com/search/label/atheism

And, of course, http://johnnyskeptic.com/
http://www.infidels.org/library/maga.../982front.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode.../mckinsey.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...urrection.html
and all the rest in the infidels.org library.

That should keep you busy through the day.

D2_Supreme

I joined up as a Christian well over a year and a half ago. I have since renounced my faith. Thanks for the resources and commentary.

Steve Weiss

It takes courage to do what you have done. Bravo. It would be interesting to trace your personal journey into the light of reason and away from fear and doubt, indoctrination and mysticism. Were you influenced at all by this forum, or did you derive your own conclusions independently?