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Old 06-12-2005, 08:45 PM   #291
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I especially like the fact that the Christian theists who read that marvelous biblical passage will insist that a doctor who has performed an abortion has killed an "innocent unborn."
John, John, John, John, John (I put on my patronising sunday school teacher hat)

Don't you see yet? When doctors abort babies they are murdering innocent unborn. When god does it (or 'tells' a war criminal - i.e. Moses - to do it) it is justice. 'Children too young to think for themselves will be judged with there parents' was what I was always taught when I was a christian.

Gotta dash, conveniently, god just sms'ed me with a message to go slaughter my someone I don't like.

oh and if anyone in particular wants their hat back, I'll leave it at the door for them
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This was an example of a pertinent principle though, and not an explanation of these events. I hold that the Canaanites were possibly into demonic interactions, and may have been quite extensively infected with this, giving supernatural abilities, and this judgment was a judgment, not an evil to be overcome.
So God, being omnipotent, couldn't handle this more gently and simply separate the Canaanite children from their demonic possessions and their evil demonic parents? Your logic absolutely baffles me.

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Don't you see yet? When doctors abort babies they are murdering innocent unborn. When god does it (or 'tells' a war criminal - i.e. Moses - to do it) it is justice. 'Children too young to think for themselves will be judged with there parents' was what I was always taught when I was a christian.
I find it especially interesting that the overwhelming majority of fertilized human ova never reach term.

So guess who the great abortionist is.
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hee hee good call John

babies=defenseless

christians=indefensable
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This was an example of a pertinent principle though, and not an explanation of these events. I hold that the Canaanites were possibly into demonic interactions, and may have been quite extensively infected with this, giving supernatural abilities, and this judgment was a judgment, not an evil to be overcome.
And, on the various occasions where Caananite virgin girls were spared death and claimed by the soldiers as war booty: of course, they were coincidentally the only ones who weren't possessed by demons.

I see.
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And, on the various occasions where Caananite virgin girls were spared death and claimed by the soldiers as war booty: of course, they were coincidentally the only ones who weren't possessed by demons.

I see.
It's even stronger if you point out that they were given to the soldiers by god.

Of course, they were just going to be treated as "handmaidens."

As I skim through the OT, I'm more and more convinced that Hitler must have read it closely.
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I wonder if only the attractive women were virgins? I wonder how many attractive non-virgins were kept alive?

I wonder if God super-naturally empowered these soldiers to tell the difference between virgin and non-virgin? It is my understanding that it can be hard to tell even today.
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I wonder if God super-naturally empowered these soldiers to tell the difference between virgin and non-virgin? It is my understanding that it can be hard to tell even today.
Well you see Gamut, god wouldn't give them supernatural powers, because that sort of thing is reserved for him. But he did give them a foolproof way of determining virginity.

DT 22:17. And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.

They must have sex with them first to know if they are virgins! It's god's way
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Well you see Gamut, god wouldn't give them supernatural powers, because that sort of thing is reserved for him. But he did give them a foolproof way of determining virginity.

DT 22:17. And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
For vivid proof, see:http://www.thebricktestament.com/the...t22_15-17.html
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Hi everyone,

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Lee: ... the Canaanites were possibly into demonic interactions, and may have been quite extensively infected with this, giving supernatural abilities...

Avatar: And your evidence for this is...?
They were too tall to be fearsome on the battlefield! Nine feet or more, and various health problems develop:

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John Wass, a
specialist in acromegalic gigantism at the University of Oxford, reckons it
would be impressive to survive for long if you grew taller than 9ft.

First, high blood pressure in the legs, caused by the sheer volume of blood
in the arteries, can burst blood vessels and cause varicose ulcers. An
infection of just such an ulcer eventually killed Wadlow.

With modern antibiotics, ulcers are less of an issue now, and most people
with acromegalic gigantism eventually die because of complications from
heart problems. "Keeping the blood going round such an enormous circulation
becomes a huge strain for the heart," says Wass.
Yet the Israelites were like grasshoppers compared to them, and were soundly defeated, the first time they tried them in battle.

Numbers 14:45 Then the Amalekites and Canaanites who lived in that hill country came down and attacked them and beat them down all the way to Hormah.

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John: Let's go over that again. Moses ordered the killing of babies and even of the unborn. Was this because those innocents were somehow into demonic interactions?
I certainly believe it's possible:

Luke 1:15 He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth.

And thus other spirits could be in even the smallest children, though not by a considered decision, by some response, nonetheless:

Luke 1:44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.

And again, the other response would be possible.

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John: I especially like the fact that the Christian theists who read that marvelous biblical passage will insist that a doctor who has performed an abortion has killed an "innocent unborn."
I don't hold that all babies are innocent, though...

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth.

But some are:

Psalm 71:6 From birth I have relied on you; you brought me forth from my mother's womb. I will ever praise you.

And we do not have the prerogative, to take a life, whether innocent or not, by our own decision, or by our own choice.

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Justin: So God, being omnipotent, couldn't handle this more gently and simply separate the Canaanite children from their demonic possessions and their evil demonic parents?
Could supernatural physical characteristics imply that they were not just inhabited by spirits, though? That there was some more extensive effect, that involved the whole person?

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I find it especially interesting that the overwhelming majority of fertilized human ova never reach term.
And if God bears pain?

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And, on the various occasions where Caananite virgin girls were spared death and claimed by the soldiers as war booty: of course, they were coincidentally the only ones who weren't possessed by demons.
Those were Midianites, as it turns out, so there could have been a difference here, in how much participation there was in this sort of area. And as far as telling the virgins, we don't know, although there was indeed a supernatural way of determining a similar question, as outlined in Scripture, in Num. 5:27...

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