firebug

Genesis 2:16-17

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die."


Now we know this is a lie - Adam and Eve didn't die after eating the apple or touching the tree. So, if according to the book, god lies, then how do we know the rest of it is truth?

sschlichter

Are Adam and Eve still alive then?

aa5874

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years. And he died. [Genesis 5.5]

God was just fooling around with Adam, but he didn't lie to Jesus, he had him hang before he was forty years old, so that Scriptures might be fulfilled, and his body has never been found.

firebug

Can't you read? " for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." The same day. They sure didn't die the same day, for they went on to have some retard babies which apparently had a lot of incest going on, not to mention murders.

sschlichter

so, would you say they did die after all?

firebug

Of course I thought about this - your argument is that they were immortal before the unfortunate encounter with the serpent. After eating the apple, they died. But the book says that god told them they will die *the same day*! What is your excuse now - that the day here is metaphorical?

aa5874

Does God have anything else that he does not want to be eaten? I will eat it once he makes me live for 930 years with Eve.

sschlichter

no, the hebrew word for day is 'yom' and could mean a day but it also is used figuratively to define a space of time defined by an associated term. The word is used both ways throughout the entire OT. I am quite certain that it did not escape the author that Adam and Eve were still alive after this happened.

Of course many people think it is referring to death in terms of separation. physical death is separation from your body, spiritual death is separation from your soul. (or from God maybe). I imagine the translation you have must have preferred this interpretation and chose the literal rendering of the word day. I doubt the lack of apparent death escaped them either.

Minimalist

Oh, no. This has all the makings of one of those discussions wherein the theist asserts that the bible is the unalterable word of freaking god....right up until it doesn't make any sense and the theist has to then step in and "interpret" for us poor heathens.

firebug

Ah, the usual. So every word can be interpreted in more than one way, which renders the whole text useless.

I can also help you out here by suggesting that what god meant to say was that they are doomed the very moment they eat the fruit, so he invokes the word "die" (maybe it could mean something else in hebrew?) metaphorically, as in "you will be destined to die".

And the associated term is? If you know hebrew, could you please provide the whole sentence in original with detailed translation?