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Old 04-22-2005, 11:11 PM   #151
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The Greek is irrelavant. Jesus and his merry band did not wander the Judean countryside speaking Greek to each other, so your very first problem is that you do not even have Jesus' actual words. They are gone, poof, non-existant.
Let me answer for the good Rev. since he will undoubtedly give you fifteen quotes from a bible neither you nor I believe in, in order to refute you.

Jesus spoke certain words. [They were recorded either during his lifetime or shortly thereafter. They were eventually recorded, after several generations had passed. After they had been passed along by word of mouth, they were finally collected into various sections of what eventually became the New Testament...centuries later.]

I put the above material in brackets to simplify the Rev.'s explanation. All of those people were divinely inspired, so Jesus' words, no matter the language, no matter the distance from the original source, have come down to us in the perfect state we find them in today.

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Old 04-22-2005, 11:12 PM   #152
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This argument was made to support the thesis that it is NOT poverty and desperation driving islamic fundamentalists to kill -- it is their religion, and if they were christians, they wouldn't be doing it.
You might try here. It's an analysis of the good points in the Quran by some killer skeptics.

For places where Christians are led to kill their enemies, try here.

Boy I sure love the Skeptic's Annotated Bible.
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[A whole heckuva lotta people] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
I would not try too heavily to protect Islam though. The Quran is full of strikingly bloody commands to kill the unbelievers. Instead you should argue that Bhuddism, Wicca, Druidism (except those Scots, yikes!), Unitarianism (which is technically not Christianity), Deism, and Atheism are all ways of thinking that don't involve killing or condemning people. Unlike both Islam and Christianity, which condone violence, attack other belief systems, and condemn heathens to everlasting hellfire just because they didn't agree with your book.
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