Majestyk

Its a great recruiting tool for the religious institutions, though:

Zealot - "If, the love of a giant cosmic fuzzball isn't enough for you then, consider this; If, you don't believe, we will kill you."

Infidel - Ohhhh! You mean thaaat, Allah. God is great. Yes, indeedy."

Mughal

If the killing is carried out due to affair within muslim community, it depends if the affair is betwen two people of the same tribe. This killing would be named family honour.

If the affair is betwen two people belonging to two separate muslim tribes then the killing is called tribal honour.

If the affair is between a muslim woman and a nonmuslim man then it is called religious honour, custom or law.

Islam allows killing of innocent just in case one turns a disbeliever see quran 18/74,80.

Islam does not allow muslim women to marry nonmuslims, fullstop. See 2/221, 24/3 etc.

Vorkosigan

But Mughal, from not dating or marrying infidels, it does not follow that the girl must be killed. I mean, there are lots of other things that could be done instead of killing her. Does Islam specifically demand that the female in question must be killed? Where and how does it say that?

Vorkosigan

Mughal

Dear vorkosigan,

Islam is based upon the quran as word of god and the hadith as word or deed of the prophet of islam.



http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...i/084.sbt.html

see hadith number 57,58,59,-64


http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...i/082.sbt.html

see hadith number 803-810 etc


The god of quran divides the world into islam and kufr then tells us that they are enemies of each other. A muslim is therefore not allowed to marry a nonmuslim.

Also apostasy in islam is punishable by death.

Even if two muslims commit adultry with each other, they are punishable by stoning to death so a muslim woman having sexual relationship with a nonmuslim would be worse kind of sin that cannot be forgiven.

The quranic verses I quoted already 18/74 etc was to show that islamic god does not wait even till you are proven guilty.

Regards.

TomboyMom

I find it interesting and annoying how people respond to this and numerous other stories like it by exonerating religion. Even when, as here, the murderer makes it clear that his motive was caused by his religion, and even here on an infidel site, people still make statements like and and .

Clearly, this man killed his daughter because he believed that his religion permitted or even required him to do so. His religious beliefs at least contributed to, and probably caused, this murder.

This is not restricted to Muslims. We have had many cases here in the states of Christians murdering their children because they believed that they were protecting them from Satan.

I don't know why people are compelled to ignore these facts. Religion is like teflon--nothing sticks to it. It gets all the good press and is identified with good, no matter how much evil it actually causes.

Rene

premjan

yes, religion is the yardstick of good and bad in many coutries and cultures. I think religion is just a first cut or attempt at philosophy. Due to there being only one of it, as opposed to a large pluralism of philosophies, it is totalitarian by definition. Until many overlapping philosophies fill the idea space everywhere, man cannot be free of the bondage of religion.

Majestyk

"I think religion is just a first cut or attempt at philosophy."

Religion served a lot of functions in our history: Philosophy, Government, and "Science".

"I don't know why people are compelled to ignore these facts. Religion is like teflon--nothing sticks to it. It gets all the good press and is identified with good, no matter how much evil it actually causes."

Religion is a human construct. Blaming religion for anything is like blaming a shadow for the absence of light.

premjan

religion is a primitive form of explanation, prescription, description and organization. it describes the collective cultural state of a primitive society. this cultural state later diversifies into much more pluralistic form. unless the society's progress is stymied or slow.

Majestyk

I don�t really disagree with this statement although; there are also the concepts of mythology and superstition to be considered when reviewing the history of religion. But as our knowledge develops so, do our definitions and manifestations of religion.

For example: the concept of dogma can be just as easily applied to the conclusions of science as it can the mythologies of a religion when, the methods of science are not also learned.

Another example can be found in the CTMU thread in the S&S forum. It is a classic example of superstition attempting to conform to established scientific theorem.

Mughal

http://forum.ymuk.net/showthread.php?threadid=5628