Barcode

See here:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030929/325/e9prb.html



Excuse my lack of knowledge, but would the father have had this reaction if it had been *any* different religion? Would the same thing have occurred if the daughter had been dating an open non believer?

Goshy, I will never understand how something that is (in theory) supposed to bring people together, manages to create divisions in the worst possible way ...

Hopeful Monsters

Maybe it's not so much to do with religion as with human nature - the desire to control, the drive to be tribal, quickness to categorise others, to exclude them, to despise them and then hate your daughter for consorting with them. Mix all this with rigid, brainwashing religious dogma and it�s a powerful mechanism.

It might have been strongly cultural or generation driven though.

Here's a man driven by such deluded aggression he kills his teenage daughter. What a tragic outcome.

Other News Coverage

Scorpion

Yes - her crime was to exhibit non-Muslim tendencies, which are all from Satan.

-S-

Born Free

Pitiful defence argument made me boil with anger, he'd been here 10 years and hardly spoke English??? He felt like a fish out of water??? Bollocks.

Honour killing?? Makes me sick to my stomach he was the one who brought his daughter over here, how else did he think she'd grow up??? Yet I'd rather it happened here and not in their native land else he'd probably have gotten away with it.

What is it with this "honour" thing anyway??? Do the opposite of what your father wants and you deserve to die???

Pisses me off royally. Bastard.

Biff the unclean

Or maybe it has everything to do with religion

Lev: 20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
Dt: 21:18
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

DMB

So-called "honour killing" is a widespread problem in a number of muslim countries and among muslim immigrants in the West.

It is usually carried out by male relations: fathers, brothers, cousins and occasionally sons. Although this practice flourishes among muslims, I don't think it can be blamed directly on religion, but more on the evaluation of women according to religious norms. Women are not seen as independent agents with the right to make their own life decisions. In most countries in the Middle East such killings are only lightly punished, if at all.

I saw yesterday on BBC World TV that the British police have announced that they are going to look into this problem in view of the fact that at least 12 such killings a year are to be expected in the UK. Their spokesman said that there was nothing honourable about it: it was straightforward and despicable murder.

andy_d

It's also a problem in some non-Muslim societies. An article I read today mentioned that there have been "honour killings" (now there's an oxymoron) in Sikh and Christian communities, too.

I don't think it's a religious problem, it's cultural.

Stew

How would one isolate the culture(s) that hold to this type of moral code from the religous practices in use by said culture?



.

andy_d

Trying to pin it on any one particular religion, when the issue clearly transcends individual religious boundaries, is pointless and dishonest.

Forget the religion, it's irrelevant. Punish the behaviour. Hard.

Which, I might add, is precisely what has happened.

Deadend

True, it also happened to a Dutch-Turkish girl a few days ago.