zonmoy

does anybody know of any books debunking claims about the Joseph and Exodus stories being true.

always have to debunk whatever claims the religious people in my life make.

Duvduv

This is confusing because your thread starts with connecting Joseph to the pyramids and then you want to debunk Joseph and the Exodus (even though Joseph was not involved in the Exodus).

Why start with Joseph anyway? Secularists start with the Creation and Adam and Eve, and all their debunking follows on from there. Pretty straightforward.

You should note that nowhere in traditional Jewish sources or teachings is it stated that the Israelites had anything to do with building the pyramids anyway.

stephan huller

Why would that be necessary? Are there any people who think that a 'coat of many colors' was a technological possibility in the first or second millennia BCE?

Toto

You want the Bible Unearthed (or via: amazon.co.uk) for debunking the existence of the Exodus.

There are people who want to claim that the Egytian Imhotep was actually Joseph. This is too much even for Christian apoloigists to swallow - link.

outhouse

Toto gave a great link, I like that work

you'll find exodus has zero historicty as written, but a possible core story of a leader of a tribe that might have brought a few people into Israel.

Joseph has the same amount of historicity.


people did migrate from Egypt, but they were the vast minority of people who became Israeli's.

There was never a enslaved race of hebrews in egypt ever and zero evidence of such

zonmoy

got christian friends making the claim that the story of Joseph was written in hieroglyphics of the great pyramid. also making claims that the exodus really happened. I point out research and they refuse to believe it. though the Joseph claim I don't know where to find references debunking that.

braces_for_impact

When apologists bring dumb stuff up like in the OP, don't just debunk it. Point and laugh at them as well. They should be embarrassed for believing such things. Hell, sometimes I'm embarrassed for them!

Sheshbazzar

Aww. Come on John, you can make up a lot of imagined could-have-been scenarios.
....you know, just like you do for your imagined poor put-upon wandering Jewish rabbi.

outhouse

jesus is actually my weak link lol ><


My favorite topic is ancient hebrews history and the migration of mythology.

that and in strong in the many concepts of the compilation of deities into the abrahamic deity. you know, polytheism to monotheism.

I follow Karens work more then anything but a few things ive caught her slipping in.

Sheshbazzar

Glad you were able to take that poke in good humor.
Something that may not be clear, if you are not familiar with me is that I arrived in these Forums as a very devout believer of over 50 years, even with experience in the Pulpit, and spent my first few years here defending the NT writings and the existence of a real flesh and blood Jewish Messiah who was crucified.
So I am very familiar with the texts, opposing materials, reasonings, and position.