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TedM · 08-20-2012, 09:56 PM

Mark 16:2-7

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2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 They were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” 4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. 5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed. 6 And he said to them, “ Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, here is the place where they laid Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples and Peter, ‘ He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.’”

If that isn't a resurrection, what is?

It is time to stop claiming that the shorter version of GMark doesn't support a resurrection, or that it is about the disciples never believing Jesus had been resurrected. Both claims are pure NONSENSE.

jdboy · 08-20-2012, 10:13 PM

Ha ha, sorry that's an empty tomb story.
No one saw jesus stinking corpse come out of the tomb

TedM · 08-20-2012, 10:41 PM

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Ha ha, sorry that's an empty tomb story.
No one saw jesus stinking corpse come out of the tomb

Ha ha. You apparently didn't read or understand what I wrote. The claim of a resurrection AND A RESURRECTION APPEARANCE is still evident without explicit appearances.

MrMacSon · 08-21-2012, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TedM

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Mark 16:2-7
2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 They were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” 4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. 5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.

6 And he said to them, “ Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, here is the place where they laid Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples and Peter, ‘ He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.

If that isn't a resurrection, what is?

It is time to stop claiming that the shorter version of GMark doesn't support a resurrection, or that it is about the disciples never believing Jesus had been resurrected ...

The shorter version of gMark suggests latter addition ie. embellishment. As would be expected of a myth-narrative developed over many years.

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The claim of a resurrection AND A RESURRECTION APPEARANCE is still evident without explicit appearances.

The stories are more likely to be myth-fiction.

Huon · 08-21-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TedM

Mark 16:2-7

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2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 They were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” 4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. 5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed. 6 And he said to them, “ Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, here is the place where they laid Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples and Peter, ‘ He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.’”

If that isn't a resurrection, what is?

It is a story, good enough for believers.
A god can be resurrected, not a historical person.

JoeWallack · 08-21-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TedM

Mark 16:2-7

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2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 They were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” 4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. 5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed. 6 And he said to them, “ Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, here is the place where they laid Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples and Peter, ‘ He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.’”

If that isn't a resurrection, what is?

It is time to stop claiming that the shorter version of GMark doesn't support a resurrection, or that it is about the disciples never believing Jesus had been resurrected. Both claims are pure NONSENSE.

JW:
As Yeshu Barra would say after seeing ignorance/denial of the next verse and ending explicitly contradicting your point, and instead substituting shouting and repetition, "Sounds like Deja Jew all over again."

I've given up on Ted and think he would be much better suited at Tweeb. For those who need points sharply explained, the whole point of "Mark" is that those close to Jesus did not believe him. Isn't it obvious that the subject of "Mark" was not convincing (per "Mark", what better source). "Mark" is what was convincing.

Joseph

TedM · 08-21-2012, 10:41 AM

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JW:
As Yeshu Barra would say after seeing ignorance/denial of the next verse and ending explicitly contradicting your point, and instead substituting shouting and repetition, "Sounds like Deja Jew all over again."

I've given up on Ted and think he would be much better suited at Tweeb. For those who need points sharply explained, the whole point of "Mark" is that those close to Jesus did not believe him. Isn't it obvious that the subject of "Mark" was not convincing (per "Mark", what better source). "Mark" is what was convincing.

Joseph

Joe, why don't you stop trying to be clever and actually address the argument I'm making? Peter proclaimed Jesus to be the Christ in GMark. How do you conclude they don't believe him? What is said is they didn't understand resurrection. But at the end the implication is that finally they understood.

Your response is nearly unintelligible above. Try making a reasoned argument. I can understand reason.

jdboy · 08-21-2012, 04:47 PM

There is no resurrection story. It goes from a crucifixion to burial and skipping a resurrection story right to an empty tomb with someone claiming that jesus has risen.
There is no description of the resurrection and there is no jesus appearance in the short ending of mark.
You are reading a story of the empty tomb claiming that jesus resurrected and the people's reaction to that claim.
The lazarus story included a resurrection story.

Sheshbazzar · 08-21-2012, 05:14 PM

Is there any account of the actual resurrection in any accepted canonical source?

Who was present at the moment of the Resurrection, and reports seeing Jesus come back to life, get up, unwrap the death shroud, and walk or fly out of that tomb?
Has 'Christian' belief ever required that there had to be an independent observer present on the scene at the moment of Resurrection, for holding a belief in the reality of Jesus' Resurrection to be a possibility?

Duke Leto · 08-21-2012, 05:33 PM

Whatcha gonna do if we don't stop this nonsense? Call us names? Go tell your dad?

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08-20-2012, 10:13 PM	#2
jdboy Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NW United States Posts: 155	Ha ha, sorry that's an empty tomb story. No one saw jesus stinking corpse come out of the tomb

08-21-2012, 04:47 PM	#8
jdboy Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NW United States Posts: 155	There is no resurrection story. It goes from a crucifixion to burial and skipping a resurrection story right to an empty tomb with someone claiming that jesus has risen. There is no description of the resurrection and there is no jesus appearance in the short ending of mark. You are reading a story of the empty tomb claiming that jesus resurrected and the people's reaction to that claim. The lazarus story included a resurrection story.

08-21-2012, 05:14 PM	#9
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Is there any account of the actual resurrection in any accepted canonical source? Who was present at the moment of the Resurrection, and reports seeing Jesus come back to life, get up, unwrap the death shroud, and walk or fly out of that tomb? Has 'Christian' belief ever required that there had to be an independent observer present on the scene at the moment of Resurrection, for holding a belief in the reality of Jesus' Resurrection to be a possibility?

08-21-2012, 05:33 PM	#10
Duke Leto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 3,387	Whatcha gonna do if we don't stop this nonsense? Call us names? Go tell your dad?

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