Duvduv

Why would john the Baptist be so important for the gospel setting??
The gospel setting could have been just fine without him.
The story of Jesus didn't need anchoring specifically in John's environment.
Paul's Jesus did just fine in the epistles without resorting to the Baptist even a single time!

josham

Well, according to the gospel (Matt. 3:15), John had to be there to baptise Jesus, because as Jesus said: "thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness". But it's all just a story, you know.

Duvduv

Except of course that the author of Acts didn't know that since John's baptism was worthless!

Toto

John's baptism was not worthless, it was just a preliminary version before Jesus' followers came up with the upgrade.

Duvduv

So it means that john couldn't be bestowed with a baptism upgrade in order to baptize the savior himself?! I would say that if John's baptism was good enough for the Savior it should be good enough for everybody else!
But apparently the author of Acts didn't know that storyline.

ApostateAbe

Paul wrote about the life and preachings of Jesus only in passing. Successful religious leaders are strongly expected to have had a capable religious mentor, and John the Baptist was seemingly the religious mentor of Jesus. A baptizer is typically profiled as the religious superior of the baptizee, Jesus is quoted as saying that there is nobody on Earth more righteous than John the Baptist, John the Baptist is historically attested to be a popular religious leader (Josephus), and the affiliation with John the Baptist is placed by the gospels toward the beginning of the ministry of Jesus. You can't make much sense of the life and preachings of Jesus without John the Baptist.

stephan huller

John the Baptist is important because it demonstrates that imaginary people can be mistaken for historical ones merely because of their appearance in the canonical gospels.

Chili

If John is the one standing below when Jesus introduced him to his mother he must be real and Jesus was just the way expose the inner sanctum of man.

aa5874

It is most remarkable that Paul claimed he was NOT called to Baptize.

There is really ZERO evidence that John the Baptist was a mentor of Jesus.

In gMark, there is ONLY ONE verse where John baptize Jesus and that is ALL we have about the interaction of Jesus and John the Baptist, just a one single verse.

Next, to show that John was NOT a mentor of Jesus it is claimed that John's disciples used to FAST but the disciples of Jesus did NOT fast like those of John.

[u][b]Mark 2:18-28 - Now, when John the Baptist was beheaded in gMark Jesus did NOT even attend the funeral.

There is ZERO indication that John the Baptist was a mentor of Jesus in gMark.

Toto

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