Johnny Skeptic

Are you saying that if a man murders someone, but helps an old lady across the street, that a righteous act justifies an unrighteous act? What does Jesus have to do with God punishing innocent animals? What do animals have to do with people getting saved?

arnoldo

Animals have nothing to do with getting people saved, the mosaic law, which called for the sacrifice of animals, was a picture of what Yeshua was going to do to redeem mankind. Note how Yeshua rebuked his disciples after his resurection:

Johnny Skeptic

Let me put it another way: There is no way that you can reasonably prove that the Jews will not be kicked out of Palestine again, and that any of Genesis 17:8 has been fulfilled, and that Abraham did not give up Judaism after the Jews were kicked out of Palestine.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Why was it necessary to God to kill more people with parasites that all of the wars in history?

How were Hitler and Stalin any more of a threat to humanity than Hitler and Stalin were?

I challenge you to provide credible evidence that it is impossible for God to achieve fair, worthy, and just goals without killing people and innocent animals with hurricanes, and without refusing to give food to starving people who needlessly die slow, painful deaths.

Might does not make right. Doing some good things does not justify doing some evil things.

Who appointed you to judge that God is perfect?

Johnny Skeptic

No they won't. None of Genenis 17:8 has been fulfilled and none of it ever will be fulfilled.

You said:

That is patently false. The Jews cannot return to land that they never had in the first place, land that you youself admitted that they never had in the first place. You said that Jews have never occupied all of the land of Canaan. Aside from the fact that you did not provide any evidence that corrobates your convenient guess, if you are right, that means that Jews are not back to the promised land since by your own admission they never occupied all of the land of Canaan in the first place.

And of course, there are not any good reasons for anyone to believe that the Jews will not be kicked out of Palestine again.

The partition of Palestine is a fraudulent self-filled prophecy. No Bible, no partition of Palestine. It is that simple.

Johnny Skeptic

That does not work. Since the Middle East contains the largest oil reserves in the world, regardless of which countries were involved, most countries would be concerned with what happens in the Middle East.

Regarding the predictions that the Jewish people would be scattered, since they were made AFTER the Jews were kicked out of Palestine, they were not predictions at all.

Since the U.S. is the greatest military and economic power in world history, obviously, there is not anything odd about the U.S. helping a weak group of Jews occupy Palestine.

A loving God would not be concerned with dirt. All that Israel is is dirt. A loving God would only be concerned with a person's heart, not with where they live.

The Canaanites who the Jews drove out of Canaan had more right to the land than the Jews did. God is a bully, a tyrant, and a murderer. He could easily have given the Jews unoccupied lands, and he could easily have caused the Jews to peacefully acquire a modern state too.

arnoldo

That's why it's called a prophesy,ie, something that will happen in the future. Also please note Israel has not any wars, despite being attacked by Arab nations several times since 1948.

Genesis 17:8 is a promise to Abraham, and Israel is currently occupying a portion of the land it will obtain in the millenium. We know Abraham didn't give up Judaism because his son Issac continued in his fathers footseps which resuled in the tribes of Israel coming into existence to this very day.

arnoldo

God also gives wisdom to doctors to create medicine as well as clean sanitary conditions to minimize parasites.
There have been evil men who have tried to exterminate the Jews, none have succeded.
We don't live in paradise, thus their will always be accidents and misfortunes, otherwise we'd be living in heaven where nothing bad happens.
Who says God does evil things?
Who appointed you judge that God isn't perfect?

arnoldo

Are you able to predict the future?
Wrong, Israel has occupied the land since the time of Abraham, Joshua, David, Solomon, etc,etc. This is historical fact.
Israel has won every war and will win every war against it according to bible prophecy.
Wrong, God uses men throughout Israel's history to fulfill prophecy. Take a look at Moses and Pharoah, Daniel & Cyrus, etc.

arnoldo

A loving God will also want to give the Jews a homeland instead of wandering among the nation and being persecuted like they have been for the past two thousand years since the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.
The Jews are willing to live peacfully with the palestinians. The palestians are the the suicide bombers or have you ever heard of a jewish suicide bomber?
The Jews would have peacfully acquired a modern state if the Arab nations would have never declared war on Israel in the first place.