Chili

But 'begotten' does not equal 'fathered' and if Jesus was sinless he was also not human nor his mother could be, and so 'fathering' as you know it is not what this is about. So we already are talking about two different things here and no more needs to be said except maybe that your way if thinking was at one time called 'humping a goat', only to say that you are 'thinking with a split mind' . . . and that for neither Mary or Jesus was true.

Chili

In my definition of Son of Man we are reborn from above and we are Son of man from below and all humans are Son of God and so with the potential of realization = basically good and redeemable as such (including females in sonship to make known that God is Truth as first cause).

Chili

Sorry sir but you have Christ and Jesus mixed up to say that while we are sinner Christ is dead in us and so we are sleepers as sinner in the chapter called "Faith, Hope and Love" of Romans 5 and so one must be dead before Jesus can do his thing in us and have been reconciled (called to order) and will be saved by his life as a modal to follow.

Chili

. . . let me add that the difference between Son of Man and Son of man is pivotal upon the Annunciation wherein 'with consent' we will be Son of Man and 'without consent' Son of man to show worthiness to receive, or not, and so will remain either as the child that is to become father of man, or not, with the difference being only that Son of Man is born from a barren womb [upon high] and Son of man is from his mothers womb untimely ripped and thus not worthy to receive and hence never will find atonement with God to remain lost in the desert below as Son of man who, while spiritually empowered, will remain twin in the yoke of slavery and sin (and I wish such as the likes of Billy Graham would known this too).

Now note please that as Son of God in the flesh our utimate destiny is unity with God of the flesh wherein the essence of our existence was first created, which so will be 'home for us' and is where our very own lineage must come to a full stop to have peace on earth and so truly know who we are. To this end a foreshadow is given in the precondition "to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind" so it may go well with you (instead of spreading the good news on earth by inference here).

Now watch closely as 'Lamb of God' and 'Child of Israel' is equal in origination wherefore then also Jerusalem and the New Jerusalem (on high) will be the same and so Israel a state of mind without a home except in us as Lamb of God in John to call us home to Rome instead of Israel which never was a place on earth, nor was it meant to be or it would have been already then. I.E. the same 'trunk of faith' in origination must find the same end in the end and since we share this point of origination with the Jews it is inevitable that Rome will also be home for them . . . and not because I say so here.

Chili

It is because so called crucifixion describes the physical component wherein all the senses are re-routed from the TOK to the TOL and conventional words must be used to describe the event since there is no convention to be found in the TOL or there would be temples there as well. It so is called allegory wherein truth is real and much more so than in temples down below.

Point in fact to say is that "dead is dead" Tanya dear.

. . . and so all senses must be pierced so that sanity can return or there would be pain in heaven still and we sing patient endurance songs to quench the knawing pain that we would rather not know.

Chili

You need to be careful and consider that Paul here saw the essence of Jesus at his own 'royal wedding' banquet and from the inivited guests 500 were in attendance and they saw it too. They so belonged to his Alpha as invited to attend for which Zechariah set the table.

Chili

Yes but if 'social taboos' are the heart of each and every mythology who are you going to fuck beside you sister since orgies were quite normal way back then, and to make butter milk and honey the forbidden fruit sound much more effective than turnips . . . or at least it does to me.

Dogfish

Man, I bet the caterers hate it when those uninvited essences show up at weddings!

J-D

Nah, they just serve them more Chili.

Chili

Lots of Chili here as that is where he was introduced to the thousand year reign of God, or should I say as God or better perhaps Lord God and God if he got his stuff direct from God as he said he did, but I am not sure where.