06-12-2007, 08:41 AM
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We've all heard that this is the "tradition".
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Tradition is what it is. That is why we've all heard it. If you have evidence to the contrary, let's see it.
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That "tradition" had to come from somewhere.
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It has to be true because they were the strongholds of Joseph that were given in exchange for 'the pearl of great worth' while Jesus was in charge of Joseph's mind. Here is what I wrote ealier about them in response to Chris Weimer question:
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Can Jesus mythicism explain parousia?
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Very easy. Parousia is the Final Ousia, Ultimate or Final Form, Final or Christ-Mass and also the Final Round of Samsara.
It is a first order enthymeme wherein our ousia's are on the run as if they were shepherds herding sheep on a midwinter night (if nothing else, you must love the metaphor).
Things on the Run.
Perhaps you know Chris that when we want to get to the bottom of something and really understand it we must make it our own so as to gain insight into the very nature of the thing itself. The Greeks called this insight a form, or an ousia and Plato elaborated on this in his Seventh Epistle (342 A-B):
Three are [the means] necessary for knowledge to arise in regard to each of the beings [that are]: the fourth is [knowledge] itself. And as fifth must be posited the very being which is [to be] known and which truly is. Of these, one is the name (onoma), the second is the account (logos), and the third is the image (eidolon), while the fourth is knowledge (episteme).
The fifth, I must add, is the thing itself now seen eiditically through the eidos as it was meant to be. So an ousia is an eidetic image wherein things previously on the run come to rest in understanding. They actually become our strongholds in knowledge and are useful to gain power, wealth and beauty (and might even get us a woman that we call our own but that is not part of the argument here).
Ousia's are second or third order enthymemes wherein the major premiss was ours before we started our inquiry to arrive at the conclusion in the form of a triple A argument that they called a "Barbara" = come to rest in our soul and give us peace of mind. Now notice the division between 'come to rest in our soul' and 'give us peace of mind,' to say that our mind is not our soul but our mind is wherein we have a relationship with the divine whence came the primary premiss that led to our understanding of the thing.
These insights were called shepherds in the bible that existed in the mind of Joseph and they were out herding sheep on a midwinter night as if ousia's (eidetic images or knowledge) were on the run, there now taking turns herding sheep out of the ordinary because they were on the run.
Ousia's on the run.
It is because the primary premiss is always ours by intuition (from Posterior Analytics, last paragraph) that ousia's can be on the run because we are not our soul, or at least not one with our soul. The separation between our soul and us is what demands an answer wherein we search for the meaning of our life itself, which therefore is a first order enthymeme wherein the primary premiss is missing. To arrive 'there' we must expose our entire fleet of ousia's so we won't be an apostle short when we actually arrive and take up residence in our soul. I think in the bible this is explained with our search for the Pearl of Great Worth that requires all we have and all we are in exchange for this treasured find, which therefore is called the Final Form or Parousia wherein our world comes to an end. We call it the Christ-mass, which is contingent upon the daily masses that therefore must come to an end with the arrival of our very own Christ-mass . . . or the Ultimate Form would not be ultimate, Parousia would not be the final ousia, and the final round of Samsara would not be the end of suffering.
The point here is that even one shepherd left behind (such as Macbeth who wanted "to be king hereafter") will leave us an apostle short in heaven wherefore Parousia takes place just outside the city which for Coriolanus was in Corioli just outside of Rome, hither Virgilia came and thither she went as the crown of Coriolanus.
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The critical part is that all of them died for Jesus which is exactly the basis for the difference between a Senecan tragedy (failed divine comedy) and a Divine Comedy.
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