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How can lack of evidence be a weak argument for non-existence?

Do you really know what non-existence signifies?

A LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR EXISTENCE.

Again, Lack of Evidence of existence is the STRONGEST argument for non-existence.

ALL THINGS CONSIDERED NON-EXISTING HAVE A LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR THEIR EXISTENCE. And that includes Your God and Jesus.

The argument for non-existence will FAIL or become FATAL as soon as evidence for existence is found.

No evidence for your Jesus and God can be found, the arguments for non-existence of those myths, your God and Jesus, are still intact.

Now, what is your argument for your God and Jesus. You believe your God and Jesus exist even though you have no evidence?

If so your belief as no value as evidence.
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The argument for non-existence of your God and Jesus is FAR STRONGER than what you believe.

IBelieveInHymn

If I drop a marble in a 5,000 acre field, but you only have the intelligence and technology to study only 1,500 acres of that field.. does that mean that marble doesn't exist?

Think about that, then get back to me.

badger3k

Now, now - we have evidence that Trolls do exist. I've seen them on these very boards.

Sai

you want to think of something original? how many times have i seen that same one down to the number of acres.

it was a ridiculous analgy the first time and it didnt improve with age.

Try something more like making a claim that you have a secret alien base in your teeth, and that we cant prove you dont.

badger3k

Perhaps, or perhaps they were kids rebelling against what the older parents were for (sorry for the sloppy construction). Or they could have been Christians who wanted to rebel, or perhaps they were actual Leveyan style satanists (or other sects), or, as I suggested, they were just fitting into the scene. That's one I can't say much more about, not being there.
No, you speak what you believe is the truth. There's a big difference. I see you have the same stereotypical story that goes around. You were a big sinner, etc, but Jeebus Saved Me. It always amazes me by the egotism in such stories, and the arrogance. Most of the people I know who tell such stories were nothing like the "evil and wicked" people they claimed to be, especially since what they considered evil and wicked were normal activities (such as having sex, drinking, and voting Democrat).
Or you were raised with a strict religious upbringing, rebelled against it by going 180 degrees (yet still within the religious confines), were feeling guilty about it, worked yourselves up to a state where you saw things that did not happen - the illusion of doorknobs moving isn't that hard if you're psyched up - assuming it wasn't your dad or someone at the door coming to tell you to turn your music down then thinking better of it). That's one possibility, that falls within the realm of probability, without adding supernatural stuff that has even less evidence for it. Why postulate something that hasn't been shown to exist over something that does exist ("mass" hysteria, shared de/illusion, etc)? We know that people have had experiences that have normal causes, but if you are predisposed to believe a certain mythology, then you will naturally tend to explain it in those terms. Your case does sound like an overactive imagination coupled with guilt, maybe including the feeling of being tired of the whole act. However, that's just speculation. Without being there at the time, and without evidence (and no, testimony is not evidence, as I think has been covered), I can't really say for sure what, if anything, really happened.
I may be wrong, and you really don't see the implications of what you say and believe, and really don't see your own attitude. I'm not surprised, but introspection, questioning your own feelings and motives, and your own beliefs, aren't something that everyone does, even though we should. Try it without your blinders on - you'll never know what doors you might open for yourself.

Johnny Skeptic

I will post that in your thread on the flood at http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=275891 the Evolution/Creation Forum, where, by the way, skeptics are having a field day refuting your arguments.

Edit: I just posted what you said at the Evolution/Creation Forum. The post is #51.

WilliamFearless

I think a complete lack of evidence for the existence of something is a pretty strong argument, but not the only one.

Logic has a lot to do with this as well, particularly epistemology and ontology. A related argument based on such can be found here.

DrZoidberg

The ability to comprehend the text has no bearing on its truth value. Atheism is not an assumption. It's an educated guess. Which beats religion's various uneducated guesses.

Really? I thought that was how evidence works? Do you believe in everything you don't have evidence for? I don't have evidence that that I have the Harlem Globetrotters, a kangaroo and a marching band is in my apartment right now. Should I believe in that? May I remind you that topsy-turvy Tuesday is only on Tuesday's.

Johnny Skeptic

What argument does a Christain have against Deism?

French Prometheus

An increase compared to what baseline?

World War II?
World War I?
The Hundred Years' War?
The Black Death (that killed between 30% and 60% of Christendom over a mere couple of years)?
The Mongolian Conquests?
The Crusades?
The mass invasion and destruction of most of Eastern Christendom (i.e. the oldest Christian churches dating back to the very beginning of Christianity) by the sudden advent of Islam?
The collapse of the Western Roman Empire?

Your knowledge of history is extremely faulty if you think that the current period of relative world peace and stability shows an increase of violence and chaos. You really need to open a history book. See for yourself what the world was really like in those days before Fox News started to pour a continuous flow of misinformation, turning insignificant events into harbingers of doomsday.