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Clivedurdle · 02-18-2007, 02:14 PM

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8and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that is prophetically called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Have I missed something?

ChandraRama · 02-18-2007, 03:33 PM

Does this mean Jesus was crucified in Rome?

Tigers! · 02-18-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Have I missed something?

Is the quote from Revelations?

Ben C Smith · 02-18-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigers!

Is the quote from Revelations?

Yes. Revelation 11.8. The scene (11.1-13), however, far from being set in Rome, appears to be set wherever the temple of God is (11.1), with its court of the gentiles (11.2). That would be Jerusalem.

The difficulty, one which should not be artificially diminished, is not the setting of this pericope in Jerusalem, but rather the fact that this pericope calls Jerusalem the great city, whereas this label appears to be attached to Rome later in the book. Several solutions have been offered, including (A) that Revelation is a composite book cobbled together from various sources and (B) that the great city is actually Jerusalem all throughout the book. (Doubtless other solutions have been proposed, as well.)

Ben.

ChandraRama · 02-18-2007, 04:03 PM

Was Jerusalem ever called prophetically as Sodom or Egypt?

Tigers! · 02-18-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChandraRama

Was Jerusalem ever called prophetically as Sodom or Egypt?

Jeremiah 23:13-15
Is 1:8-18
Ezekiel 16:45-47

ChandraRama · 02-18-2007, 08:45 PM

They say sodom but not egypt.

Tigers! · 02-18-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChandraRama

They say sodom but not egypt.

Ezekiel 16:25-27 (?)

Clivedurdle · 02-19-2007, 07:04 AM

As I understand it, Babylon may also be a contender.

But is this evidence that the place of the crucifixion was a moveable feast?

Clivedurdle · 02-19-2007, 07:21 AM

And why would Jerusalem get such negative vibes when there are comments at the same time about new Jerusalems?

Was there a strand of thinking that the destruction and wars were caused by the evil of Jerusalem?

Is this phrase used as evidence of a post destruction of the temple date?

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ChandraRama Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: US Posts: 107	Does this mean Jesus was crucified in Rome?

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ChandraRama Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: US Posts: 107	Was Jerusalem ever called prophetically as Sodom or Egypt?

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ChandraRama Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: US Posts: 107	They say sodom but not egypt.

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	As I understand it, Babylon may also be a contender. But is this evidence that the place of the crucifixion was a moveable feast?

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	And why would Jerusalem get such negative vibes when there are comments at the same time about new Jerusalems? Was there a strand of thinking that the destruction and wars were caused by the evil of Jerusalem? Is this phrase used as evidence of a post destruction of the temple date?

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