Boro Nut

Who killed Jesus?

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Johnny Skeptic

I do not know who killed Jesus, but I have a question of my own: The New Testament says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins, but the Bible also says that killing people is wrong. So, if everyone who lived where Jesus lived had obeyed God and not killed anyone, including Jesus, how could Jesus' blood have been shed? It is interesting to note that in the Old Testament, the blood of sacrificial animals was shed without malice, but in the New Testament, Jesus' blood was shed with malice. In my opinion, that lie originated because the writers could not come up with another way for Jesus' blood to be shed that would make sense to anyone. They would not likely have written that Jesus' followers put him to death. In addition, they would not likely have written that he injured himself and shed his blood. Old Testament Judaism could never have lasted. The New Testament writers were well aware of this, so they pirated the Old Testament, made some "improvements", and the result was Christianity. Animal and human sacrifices are definitely human inventions that predated Judaism and Christianity. The notion that sins are remitted by killing animals and people is patently absurd, and is downright barbaric.

No Robots

He committed suicide, just like Socrates. Push the mob and its leaders too far, and see what happens.

dzim77

Technically speaking, the Roman executioners.

Theologically speaking, God the Father. Although the NT never claims that the Father "killed" the Son, but rather the Father "gave him up" or "delivered him up" for us.

Boro Nut

No, me neither. I just think it's funny that nobody seems to have asked before, and nobody seems to care. Poor Judas gets absolutely pilloried for helping Jesus fulfil his life's ambition, so much so that he has to commit suicide twice, but those who nailed him to a plank get off scot-free with their reputations totally unblemished. And nobody thinks to enquire their names? You know, if I didn’t know any better I’d think someone was making the whole thing up.

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Toto

I would think that more Christians should be embarrassed by this question, but most of them don't seem to be. Maybe they just don't know what to say.

The Gospels claim that Pilate had Jesus crucified, but still try to blame the Jews, as if a Jewish rabble had any control over a Roman official.

Paul claims that "the rulers of this age" crucified Jesus, presumably using some early agents, but it's never clear.

Straight Dope on Who Killed Jesus

Who Killed Jesus?: Exposing the Roots of Anti-Semitism in the Gospel Story of the Death of Jesus (or via: amazon.co.uk) by John Dominic Crossan

Who Killed Jesus? After centuries of censure, Jews have been relieved of general responsibility for the death of Jesus. Now who gets the blame? By Paul L. Maieroops - you need to pay to read his answer.

Chuck Colson blames GOD

No Robots

What were the names of the 500 jurymen in Socrates' trial?

Johnny Skeptic

Well of course it was made up. If it wasn't made up, from a Christian perspective, whoever shed Jesus' blood did the world a favor, right? If someone had not shed Jesus' blood, Christianity could not have been founded.

Boro Nut

Which Roman executioners? These blokes have just slain Time Magazine's man-of-the-year AD 33. They'd have been bragging about it at the pub for months. Bawdy songs would be sung about them. People would point in the street and go "Ooh look, it's Nobby God-Topper". But not a peep. The devil is in the detail as they say.

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dzim77

The issue according to the NT, ultimately, is not who nailed Jesus to the cross but that Jesus died according to the will of the Father to pay for sins... *of which all humans are responsible and guilty*

Ultimately the Jews nor the Romans are especially to blame anymore than every one of us -as sinners- are to blame.

This is more likely the reason for the seeming lack of urgency to pin down the 'culprit'.