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arnoldo · 02-01-2008, 06:19 AM

Is there any question that St. Peter was the first pope and he was executed on Vatican Hill, Rome?

arnoldo · 02-01-2008, 06:30 AM

Is there any questions that after St Peter was executed in Rome the following were popes?

1) St. Peter (32-67)
2) St. Linus (67-76)
3) St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
4) St. Clement I (88-97)
5) St. Evaristus (97-105)
6) St. Alexander I (105-115)

schilling.klaus · 02-01-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

Is there any questions that after St Peter was executed in Rome the following were popes?

1) St. Peter (32-67)
2) St. Linus (67-76)
3) St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
4) St. Clement I (88-97)
5) St. Evaristus (97-105)
6) St. Alexander I (105-115)

Peter is a fraudulent patristic fiction, and so are all the other guys.

Klaus Schilling

reniaa · 02-01-2008, 07:02 AM

I don't think peter or many of the succeeding men saw themselves as pope....

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The first Bishop of Rome to style himself pope was Pope Siricius,[7] who occupied that office at the very end of the 4th century. Prior to that, the Patriarchs of Alexandria had been titled pope beginning with Pope Heraclas in 232.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope

So Popes of the early few centuries including peter got the title posthumously by the catholic church who ascribed them the title for their own purposel

arnoldo · 02-01-2008, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

I don't think peter or many of the succeeding men saw themselves as pope....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope

So Popes of the early few centuries including peter got the title posthumously by the catholic church who ascribed them the title for their own purposel

From your source

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James the Just served as head of the Jerusalem church, which is still honored as the "Mother Church" in Orthodox tradition.

reniaa · 02-01-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

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Originally Posted by reniaa

I don't think peter or many of the succeeding men saw themselves as pope....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope

So Popes of the early few centuries including peter got the title posthumously by the catholic church who ascribed them the title for their own purposel

From your source

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James the Just served as head of the Jerusalem church, which is still honored as the "Mother Church" in Orthodox tradition.

thats what the catholics say but if you look at the acts and romans and other writings from those first few centuries "pope" title isn't mentioned Peter is seen much as Paul was a respected elder of the first christians, the case could be argued paul was leader too but as you can see they never wanted that sort of recognition, this is what I have mainly against the catholic church as it's very clear it wasn't originally set up the way they have it now.

arnoldo · 02-01-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

From your source

thats what the catholics say but if you look at the acts and romans and other writings from those first few centuries "pope" title isn't mentioned Peter is seen much as Paul was a respected elder of the first christians, the case could be argued paul was leader too but as you can see they never wanted that sort of recognition, this is what I have mainly against the catholic church as it's very clear it wasn't originally set up the way they have it now.

Perhaps that why there was a split in the early church between the Roman and Greek Church which traces it's origin to the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem, 52 AD.

schilling.klaus · 02-01-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

Is there any question that St. Peter was the first pope and he was executed on Vatican Hill, Rome?

it's hilarious fabulation by the Roman Catholic church.
The Vatican had already been dedicated to a heathen cult.
The name Peter is chosen in analogy to Mithra who has been
born from a rock (petros)

Klaus Schilling

reniaa · 02-01-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

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Originally Posted by reniaa

thats what the catholics say but if you look at the acts and romans and other writings from those first few centuries "pope" title isn't mentioned Peter is seen much as Paul was a respected elder of the first christians, the case could be argued paul was leader too but as you can see they never wanted that sort of recognition, this is what I have mainly against the catholic church as it's very clear it wasn't originally set up the way they have it now.

Perhaps that why there was a split in the early church between the Roman and Greek Church which traces it's origin to the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem, 52 AD.

I have no trouble with recognition of councils thats how they did things back then but a recognised person such as a 'Pope' and all that infers (remember to catholics popes are seen as divine) I think that definately didn't get started till the later dates I mention in the above post and for them to then go back in time and say well such and such was around so we'll make them the pope is rewriting bible history which is not sustained by the bible itself.

Amaleq13 · 02-01-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by schilling.klaus

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

Is there any question that St. Peter was the first pope and he was executed on Vatican Hill, Rome?

it's hilarious fabulation by the Roman Catholic church.
The Vatican had already been dedicated to a heathen cult.
The name Peter is chosen in analogy to Mithra who has been
born from a rock (petros)

Klaus Schilling

Why should anyone believe your unsubstantiated assertions?

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arnoldo Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Latin America Posts: 4,066	Is there any questions that after St Peter was executed in Rome the following were popes? 1) St. Peter (32-67) 2) St. Linus (67-76) 3) St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88) 4) St. Clement I (88-97) 5) St. Evaristus (97-105) 6) St. Alexander I (105-115)

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