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Why the New Testament does not mention the Essenes, but Philo Josephus does
Philo, Josephus and the New Testament mention Pharisees, Sadducces and "teachers of the Law", and Zealots (i.e Simon the Zealot) but fails to mention the Essenes.
For the same reason that Orthodox Jews don't call themselves Pharasiac jews. Maybe because the early Christians were Essenes. maybe like one group of dinosaurs evolving into Birds, the early Christians were Essenes, and it did not die out after CE70, but lived on as Christians, and the NT documents were originally read by Essenes. |
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that "the tribe of Essenes" and the "tribe of christians" were somehow one and the same tribe in the 1st CE. It is this inference, by which in the typical absence of any other relevant information and/or data, we are essentially coerced to "guess" this relationship. The Wisdom Sayings of the Essenes appear to have been used in the text of the NT, and without due and proper acknowledgement of copyright. And yet, as the subject of this thread states, the NT does not mention "the tribe of essenes". Why? |
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- Christianity did not exist in any form before Philo. The NT came later, and the writings of Josephus were redacted later still (as late as the 4th century). The first documented usage of the word "christian" comes well into the 2nd century as I recall. The fact that 'essene' is not mentioned in the NT or by Philo coule be because Christians were Essenes, but it could also be simply that it was so new at the time of these writings that they had not yet come up with a name for it. The latter seems simpler to me, which suggests Christianity, per se, is a 2nd century phenomenon at the earliest (though the precursors of it existed much earlier). |
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Porphyry's reference to Essenes
Incidentally, the Essenes are freely mentioned (it would appear)
in the text "On Abstinence from Animal Food", by Porphyry, that is probably dated a few decades prior to Eusebius' historia. Here is the quote, from Book Four. Those who subscribe to mainstream opinion normally view Porphyry as an author of (perhaps nviolent) anti-christian persuasion. Those who subscribe to this mainstream view here face IMO a conundrum: The description provided by Porphyry of "the tribe of essenes" is totally inconsistent (perhaps diametrically opposed) to the (mainstream interpretation) of Porphyry's description of "the tribe of christians". That is, if we are to assume Porphyry actually knew and wrote about both essenes and "christians", then in Porphyry's view, these two "tribes of humanity" were certainly N O T one and the same. Quote:
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