Malachi151

I'm using translations that include the mistranslations that were traditionally a part of the Bible:

That's what I've got so far. I didn't focus on one gospel, so maybe that's a problem. Please make additions with what you know.

aa5874

This is a part of the list I have, it only covers the book called Matthew:

Matt 2:5-6...see Micah 5:2
Matt 2:18.... Jeremiah 31:15
Mt 2:16......... Hosea 11.1
Mt 2:17.......Jeremiah 31:15
Mt 2:23...... Judges 13:5

Mt 3:3.......Isaiah 40:3

Mt 4:4...Deutoro 8:3
Mt 4:6....Psalms 91:11
Mt 4:7....Deutoro 6:16
Mt 4:10.....Deutoro 6:13
Mt 4:15.....Isaiah 9:1

Mt 5:21.... Exodus 20:13
5:27....Exodus 20:14
5:31.....Deutoro 24:1
5:38...Exodus 21:24
5:43 ...Leviticus 19:18

Mt 6:11...Proverb 30:8
6:12....Ecclesia 28:2

Mt 8:17....Isaiah 53:4

Mt 9:13....Hosea 6:6

Mt 10:35.....Micah 7:6

Mt 11:10...Malachi 3:1

Mt 12:7...Hosea 6:6

Mt 12:18...Isaiah 42:1

Mt 13:14 ....Isaiah 6:9
13:35.....Pslalms 78:2

Mt 15:4...Exodus 20:12
15;8...iSAIAH 29:13

Mt18:16.... Deutoro 19:15

Mt 19:4 ....Genesis 1:27
19:5.... Genesis 2:24
19:18... Exodus 20:12

Mt 21:5...Zechariah 9:9
21:9...Psalm 118:26
21:13 ...Jeremiah 7:11
21:16...PSALM 8;2
21:42 ...Psalm 118:22

Mt 22:32....Exodus 3:6
22:39.... Leviticus 19;18
22:37....DEUTORO 6:5
22:44....Psalm 110:1

Mt 23:39...Psalnm 118:26

Mt 24:15 ...Daniel 9:27
24:29....Isaiah 13:10

Mt 26:31....Zechariah 13:7

Mt 27:10....Zechariah 11:12
27:35...Psalm 22:18
27:46.... PSALM 22:16


This is a partial list of the fabrication of Jesus Christ from the OT.

Clivedurdle

I strongly recommend Dakes Bible Commentary.

This central textbook of pentecostalism is built on the premise that the whole Bible is god's word and as such was deliberately written to foretell the coming of the Christ. It therefore gives the entire history of the universe.

Dake has done a superb job of finding all the possible references to Jesus in the Hebrew Bible.

Most Xians do not realise that Dake in fact has built an unanswerable case for the mythicist position!

k_smith123

If you are willing to accept the fact that we are dealing with allegory then here is the origin of the “Last Supper”:

40:1 Some time later, the cupbearer and the baker of the king of Egypt offended their master, the king of Egypt.
2 Pharaoh was angry with his two officials, the chief cupbearer and the chief baker,
3 and put them in custody in the house of the captain of the guard, in the same prison where Joseph was confined.
4 The captain of the guard assigned them to Joseph, and he attended them. After they had been in custody for some time,
5 each of the two men--the cupbearer and the baker of the king of Egypt, who were being held in prison--had a dream the same night, and each dream had a meaning of its own.
6 When Joseph came to them the next morning, he saw that they were dejected.
7 So he asked Pharaoh's officials who were in custody with him in his master's house, "Why are your faces so sad today?"
8 "We both had dreams," they answered, "but there is no one to interpret them." Then Joseph said to them, "Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams."
9 So the chief cupbearer told Joseph his dream. He said to him, "In my dream I saw a vine in front of me,
10 and on the vine were three branches. As soon as it budded, it blossomed, and its clusters ripened into grapes.
11 Pharaoh's cup was in my hand, and I took the grapes, squeezed them into Pharaoh's cup and put the cup in his hand."
12 "This is what it means," Joseph said to him. "The three branches are three days.
13 Within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head and restore you to your position, and you will put Pharaoh's cup in his hand, just as you used to do when you were his cupbearer.
14 But when all goes well with you, remember me and show me kindness; mention me to Pharaoh and get me out of this prison.
15 For I was forcibly carried off from the land of the Hebrews, and even here I have done nothing to deserve being put in a dungeon."
16 When the chief baker saw that Joseph had given a favorable interpretation, he said to Joseph, "I too had a dream: On my head were three baskets of bread.
17 In the top basket were all kinds of baked goods for Pharaoh, but the birds were eating them out of the basket on my head."
18 "This is what it means," Joseph said. "The three baskets are three days.
19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head and hang you on a tree. And the birds will eat away your flesh."
20 Now the third day was Pharaoh's birthday, and he gave a feast for all his officials. He lifted up the heads of the chief cupbearer and the chief baker in the presence of his officials:
21 He restored the chief cupbearer to his position, so that he once again put the cup into Pharaoh's hand,
22 but he hanged the chief baker, just as Joseph had said to them in his interpretation.
23 The chief cupbearer, however, did not remember Joseph; he forgot him.

And here is Matthew’s source for his account of Judas’ “hanging”:

Jeremiah 38:6 So they took Jeremiah and put him into the cistern of Malkijah, the king's son, which was in the courtyard of the guard. They lowered Jeremiah by ropes into the cistern; it had no water in it, only mud, and Jeremiah sank down into the mud.
7 But Ebed-Melech, a Cushite, an official in the royal palace, heard that they had put Jeremiah into the cistern. While the king was sitting in the Benjamin Gate,
8 Ebed-Melech went out of the palace and said to him,
9 "My lord the king, these men have acted wickedly in all they have done to Jeremiah the prophet. They have thrown him into a cistern, where he will starve to death when there is no longer any bread in the city."
10 Then the king commanded Ebed-Melech the Cushite, "Take thirty men from here with you and lift Jeremiah the prophet out of the cistern before he dies."
11 So Ebed-Melech took the men with him and went to a room under the treasury in the palace. He took some old rags and worn-out clothes from there and let them down with ropes to Jeremiah in the cistern.
12 Ebed-Melech the Cushite said to Jeremiah, "Put these old rags and worn-out clothes under your arms to pad the ropes." Jeremiah did so,
13 and they pulled him up with the ropes and lifted him out of the cistern. And Jeremiah remained in the courtyard of the guard.

And here is the inspiration for Matthew’s account of Christ’s gifts from the magi and his escape into Egypt (as well as inspiration for the Phoenix):

Gen. 37:22 "Don't shed any blood. Throw him (Joseph) into this cistern here in the desert, but don't lay a hand on him." Reuben said this to rescue him from them and take him back to his father.
23 So when Joseph came to his brothers, they stripped him of his robe--the richly ornamented robe he was wearing--
24 and they took him and threw him into the cistern. Now the cistern was empty; there was no water in it.
25 As they sat down to eat their meal, they looked up and saw a caravan of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead. Their camels were loaded with spices, balm and myrrh, and they were on their way to take them down to Egypt.
26 Judah said to his brothers, "What will we gain if we kill our brother and cover up his blood?
27 Come, let's sell him to the Ishmaelites and not lay our hands on him; after all, he is our brother, our own flesh and blood." His brothers agreed.
28 So when the Midianite merchants came by, his brothers pulled Joseph up out of the cistern and sold him for twenty shekels of silver to the Ishmaelites, who took him to Egypt.
29 When Reuben returned to the cistern and saw that Joseph was not there, he tore his clothes.
30 He went back to his brothers and said, "The boy isn't there! Where can I turn now?"
31 Then they got Joseph's robe, slaughtered a goat and dipped the robe in the blood.
32 They took the ornamented robe back to their father and said, "We found this. Examine it to see whether it is your son's robe."
33 He recognized it and said, "It is my son's robe! Some ferocious animal has devoured him. Joseph has surely been torn to pieces."

The “hanged man” metaphor represents a decent into the “underworld” of hidden meanings through allegoric interpretation. In Greek the name “Jeremiah” is expressed as “Hieremias” that can then be “lisped” into “Hermes” and this provides an obvious suggestion of interpretation. The name “Judas” is intended to represent “knowledge” (H. yada'). The name "Joseph" is associated with "history", while "Egypt" is another metaphor related to allegoric interpretation.

When you are done searching for Christ in the Old Testament, you should then try searching his seemingly empty “tomb”—Josephus’ Wars of the Jews. You might want to start with the three Judases found from Chapter 33 of Book 1 to Chapter 8 of Book 2.


Judas 1 - son of Sepphoris
Judas 2 - attacks Sepphoris in Galilee
Judas 3 - the Galilean

[Since Judas Maccabee can be lisped into Judas machabe' (Hebrew for “hidden”) it seems reasonable to link “Galilee” with the Hebrew word “galah” which means “to uncover”.]

Malachi151

I've taken a stab at reconstructing pretty much all of Matthew from the "Old Testament". I left out the parables as those are not really events, though many of them tie back to the OT, I didn't want to waste my time on that part since that really has nothing to do with historicity.

There are a few gaps that I need filled if anyone wants to help. I don't know ancient languages, so if you have comments on the translations or whatever, that is good. I'm sure that I didn't get everything, and probably some of them are wrong, free to point out issues.

I have broken these up into types of references. Obviously Type 2 is the most speculative.

Type 1 (T1) : Author explicitly references Hebrew scriptures
Type 2 (T2) : Author uses Hebrew scriptures for underlying theme
Type 3 (T3) : Author quotes or paraphrases Hebrew scripture without indicating they have done so

Birth of Jesus:
T1: Matthew 1:2 - Isaiah 7:14 (based on Greek mistranslation):
"Then Isaiah said, 'Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.' "(Note: This is a mistranslation that will be addressed in the next section.)
T2: Matthew 1 - Isaiah 9:6:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Born in Bethlehem:
T1: Matthew 2:5 - Micah 5:2:
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. "

Escape to Egypt:
T1: Matthew 2:15 - Hosea 11:1:
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son."

The Return to Nazareth:
T1: Matthew 2:23 - Judges 13:5:
"because you will conceive and give birth to a son. No razor may be used on his head, because the boy is to be a Nazirite, set apart to God from birth, and he will begin the deliverance of Israel from the hands of the Philistines." (Note: Jesus was called a Nazorean in the gospels because he supposedly lived in a place called Nazareth, but this refers to Samson being from a Nazirite sect. The author himself made the reference however, but there are several other Nazarite references in to OT throughout the gospels)

John the Baptist Prepares the Way:
T1: Matthew 3:3 - Isaiah 40:3:
"A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the LORD ;make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God."
T3: Matthew 3:4 - 2 Kings 2:8:
"They replied, 'He was a man with a garment of hair and with a leather belt around his waist.' The king said, 'That was Elijah the Tishbite.'" (Matthew 3:4 says: "John's clothes were made of camel's hair, and he had a leather belt around his waist." Later in the story Jesus indicates that John was Elijah.)

The Temptation of Jesus:
T1: Matthew 4:6 - Psalm 91:11,12
T1: Matthew 4:7 - Deuteronomy 6:16
T1: Matthew 4:10 - Deuteronomy 6:13

Jesus Begins to Preach in Galilee:
T1: Matthew 4:12 - Isaiah 9:1:
"Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan"

Jesus Heals the Sick:
T2: Matthew 4:23 - Isaiah 53

Sermon on the Mount:
T2: Matthew 5-7 - Exodus 19...:
(Note: The Sermon on the Mount {which is only in the gospel of Matthew} refers to how only Moses was allowed up the mountain in Exodus, but Jesus brings everyone up the mountain. Jesus then gives new interpretations of the Commandments and Laws {from Exodus 20...})

Jesus Heals Many:
T2: Matthew 8 - Isaiah 53

Jesus Calms the Storm:
T2: Matthew 8:27 - Job 30:22, Isaiah 25:4, Zechariah 9:14, Psalm 89:9, Psalm 148:8:
"lightning and hail, snow and clouds, stormy winds that do his bidding" (Note: Several passages in the Hebrew scriptures indicate that God controls the weather)

Jesus Heals a Paralytic:
T2: Matthew 9:1 - Isaiah 53

Jesus Consorts with Sinners:
T1: Matthew 9:12 - Hosea 6:6:
"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings."

A Dead Girl and a Sick Woman:
T2: Matthew 9:22 - Isaiah 53

Jesus Heals the Blind and Mute:
T2: Matthew 9:29 - Isaiah 53

Jesus Sends Out the Twelve:
T2: Matthew 10 - Joshua 4:2
"'Choose twelve men from among the people, one from each tribe...'" (Note: The number 12 is used throughout the "Old Testament" to represent 12 people, 12 rulers, 12 tribes, etc.)
T1: Matthew 10:34 - Micah 7:6

Jesus and John the Baptist:
T2: Matthew 11:5 - Isaiah 53
T1: Matthew 11:10 - Malachi 3:
"'See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,' says the LORD Almighty."

Woe on Unrepentant Cities:
T2: Matthew 11:20 - Genesis 19

God's Chosen Servant:
T2: Matthew 12:17 - Isaiah 53
T1: Matthew 12:17 - Isaiah 42:1-4::
"'Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations. He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope.'"

Jesus and Beelzebub:
T2: Matthew 12:24 - 2 Kings 1:1-4

The Sign of Jonah:
T1: Matthew 12:40 - Jonah 1:17

Jesus Walks on the Water:
T2: Matthew 14:25 - Isaiah 43:5-6:
"When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. ... For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;" (Note: Walking on water was also a theme in Greek hero literature)

The Demand for a Sign:
T2: Matthew 16:4 - Jonah 1:17
T2: Matthew 16:1 - Genesis 19

Jesus Predicts His Death:
T2: Matthew 16:21 - Isaiah 53

The Transfiguration:
T2: Matthew 17:2 - Exodus 34:29:
"When Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the Testimony in his hands, he was not aware that his face was radiant because he had spoken with the LORD."
T2: Matthew 17:11 - Isaiah 40:3
(Note: The symbolism in the transfiguration scene also reflects stories about Moses in the Hebrew midrash, as well as typical the sun-god imagery of the Greeks. See also: Philo, On the Life of Moses II, (288) "And some time afterwards, when he was about to depart from hence to heaven, to take up his abode there, and leaving this mortal life to become immortal, having been summoned by the Father, who now changed him, having previously been a double being, composed of soul and body, into the nature of a single body, transforming him wholly and entirely into a most sun-like mind;")

The Healing of a Boy With a Demon:
T2: Matthew 17:17 - Isaiah 53

Jesus Again Predicts His Death:
T2: Matthew 20:18 - Isaiah 53
T2: Matthew 20:18 - Jonah 1:17
T2: Matthew 20:19 - Psalm 22

Two Blind Men Receive Sight:
T2: Matthew 20:29 - Isaiah 53

The Triumphal Entry:
T1: Matthew 21:2 - Zechariah 9:9:
"Rejoice greatly, O daughter Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter Jerusalem! Lo, your king comes to you; triumphant and victorious is he, humble and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey."
T3: Matthew 21:9 - Psalm 118:26

Jesus at the Temple:
T1: Matthew 21:12 - Isaiah 56:7
"...for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations."
T2: Matthew 21:12 - Zechariah 14.21:
"Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a merchant in the house of the LORD Almighty."
T2: Matthew 21:12 - Nehemiah 13:4-9:
"And I was very angry, and I threw all the household furniture of Tobiah out of the room [in the temple]. Then I gave orders and they cleansed the chambers, and I brought back the vessels of the house of God, with the grain-offering and the frankincense."
T2: Matthew 21:12 - Hosea 9:15
"Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive them out of my house."

The Fig Tree Withers:
T2: Matthew 21:19 - Hosea 9
"1 Do not rejoice, O Israel; do not be jubilant like the other nations. For you have been unfaithful to your God; ... 7 The days of punishment are coming, the days of reckoning are at hand. Let Israel know this. Because your sins are so many and your hostility so great, the prophet is considered a fool, the inspired man a maniac. 8 The prophet, along with my God, is the watchman over Ephraim, yet snares await him on all his paths, and hostility in the house of his God. 9 They have sunk deep into corruption, as in the days of Gibeah. God will remember their wickedness and punish them for their sins. 10 'When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your fathers, it was like seeing the early fruit on the fig tree. But when they came to Baal Peor, they consecrated themselves to that shameful idol and became as vile as the thing they loved. 15'... Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive them out of my house. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious. 16 Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered, they yield no fruit. Even if they bear children, I will slay their cherished offspring.' 17 My God will reject them because they have not obeyed him; they will be wanderers among the nations." (Note: Many scholars have interpreted the cursing of the fig tree as a metaphor for Jesus' rejecting of those Jews who reject him and as a foreshadowing of his second coming and judgment. Hosea 9 provides the scriptural basis for this symbolism)

Signs of the End of the Age:
T3: Matthew 24 - Daniel 9:24-27:
"'Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two week, the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.'"
T3: Matthew 24 - Daniel 11:31, 12:11
T3: Matthew 24 - Isaiah 13:8-11
"Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame. See, the day of the LORD is coming —a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger— to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless."
T3: Matthew 24 - Isaiah 34
"1 Come near, you nations, and listen; pay attention, you peoples! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, the world, and all that comes out of it! 2 The LORD is angry with all nations; his wrath is upon all their armies. He will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter. 3 Their slain will be thrown out, their dead bodies will send up a stench; the mountains will be soaked with their blood. 4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree. 5 My sword has drunk its fill in the heavens; see, it descends in judgment on Edom, the people I have totally destroyed. 6 The sword of the LORD is bathed in blood, it is covered with fat— the blood of lambs and goats..."

Judas Agrees to Betray Jesus:
T2: Matthew 26:14 - Amos 2
"4 This is what the LORD says: 'For three sins of Judah, even for four, I will not turn back [my wrath]. ... 5 I will send fire upon Judah that will consume the fortresses of Jerusalem.' 6 '... They sell the righteous for silver, and the needy for a pair of sandals. ... 11 I also raised up prophets from among your sons and Nazirites from among your young men. Is this not true, people of Israel?' declares the LORD. 12 'But you made the Nazirites drink wine and commanded the prophets not to prophesy. 13 Now then, I will crush you as a cart crushes when loaded with grain.

The Lord's Supper:


Jesus Predicts Peter's Denial:
T1: Matthew 26:31 - Zechariah 13:7:
"'Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!' declares the LORD Almighty. 'Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones"

Jesus' Prayers of the Cup at Gethsemane:
T2: Matthew 26:36 - Zechariah 12:2:
"I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations."
T2: Matthew 26:36 - Psalm 16:5
"LORD, you have assigned me my portion and my cup; you have made my lot secure."

Jesus Arrested:
T2: Matthew 26:55 - Isaiah 53:7-8:
"...he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. "

Before the Sanhedrin:


Peter Disowns Jesus:
T1: Matthew 27:72 - Zechariah 13:7:

Judas Hangs Himself:
T1: Matthew 27:4-10 - Zechariah 11:12-13
T2: Matthew 27:4-10 - Jeremiah 19, Jeremiah 32

The Soldiers Mock Jesus:
T3: Matthew 27:27 - Flaccus IV ; Philo (Note: The mocking of people as kings was a common practice at the time, one such event was recorded by the Jewish writer Philo, and may be the basis for the mocking of Jesus scene):
"(36) There was a certain madman named Carabbas ... and setting him up there on high that he might be seen by everybody, flattened out a leaf of papyrus and put it on his head instead of a diadem, and clothed the rest of his body with a common door mat instead of a cloak and instead of a scepter they put in his hand a small stick of the native papyrus which they found lying by the way side and gave to him; (38) and when, like actors in theatrical spectacles, he had received all the insignia of royal authority, and had been dressed and adorned like a king, the young men bearing sticks on their shoulders stood on each side of him instead of spear-bearers, in imitation of the bodyguards of the king, and then others came up, some as if to salute him, and others making as though they wished to plead their causes before him, and others pretending to wish to consult with him about the affairs of the state. (39) Then from the multitude of those who were standing around there arose a wonderful shout of men calling out Maris!; and this is the name by which it is said that they call the kings among the Syrians; for they knew that Agrippa [King Herod of the Jews] was by birth a Syrian, and also that he was possessed of a great district of Syria of which he was the sovereign;"
T3: Matthew 27:30 - Isaiah 50
6 I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.

The Crucifixion and Death of Jesus:
Psalm 22:
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from the words of my groaning?
...
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads:
8 "He trusts in the LORD;
let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him."
...
16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have pierced my hands and my feet. (mistranslation)
17 I can count all my bones;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my garments among them
and cast lots for my clothing.

Amos 2:
11 I also raised up prophets from among your sons and Nazirites from among your young men. Is this not true, people of Israel?' declares the LORD. 12 'But you made the Nazirites drink wine and commanded the prophets not to prophesy.

Psalm 69:
Insults have broken my heart,so that I am in despair. I looked for pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me poison for food, and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Ezekiel 37:
12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.' "

I don't have anything for the events after the death of Jesus, so if you can come up with anything for that, that would be good.

Gamera

Although there are passages in which NT figures (namely Jesus and Phillip) refer to the OT and claim to discern intimations of the messiah, I don't think any of the NT texts claim that the gospels can be constructed from the detritus of the OT.

While some general prefiguring of Jesus may have been important to the Jewish converts, it would have meant nothing much gentiles who were exposed to the gospel first and the Hebrew Scriptures second, if at all.

In other words, I'm curious why you've hit upon this enterprise, which I admit is interesting.

aa5874

Jesus Christ was fabricated out of the OT, for the 'Proof' see http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/eu...e_03_book1.htm

Malachi151

Here is what I think happened.

The gospel of at least Mark, and possibly Matthew, was written as allegory by a diaspora Jew in a typical Jewish tradition of borrowing elements from prior stories, which we also see elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible, and this certain aspects of Jewish style and tradition were lost on the non-Jews who came into contact with the gospels.

This was foreign to them, and they didn't "get it". They took them literally and seriously, then they looked back at the older Jewish scriptures and saw that a lot of what happened in the gospels seems to have been "foretold" by the earlier scriptures, not drawing the obvious conclusion that the gospels were simply made up FROM the older scriptures.

They were looking at this from an outsiders perspective, not really understanding the culture, and being amazed by things simply because they weren't aware of various aspects of Jewish culture and traditions and story elements. To them it was all new and it was different from their tradition enough that they didn't get the "inside jokes".

This happens all the time in cross cultural situations. Take Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon for example. This movie was just a low quality typical Chinese style movie that did poorly in Asia, but Americans loved it and thought it was revolutionary, but it was only revolutionary to us because we weren't familiar with it. It was old hat to them.

Its the same here.

I suspect that prior to the gospels the Jesus Christ sect of Jews had a very different view of the Christ symbolism, but once the gospels were written and got into the hands of non-Jews, the non-Jews took them completely differently than Jews did. Jews were not impressed by the gospels, it was familiar to them and they understood the many themes and it was just one more old news story to them, but the gospels were cross-over breakthroughs that tied in enough of the Hellenistic tradition to appeal to non-Jews, yet the ideas were fresh to them, and they didn't understand the context or the symbolism or the traditions, so they interpreted the stories differently.

Then, when they began checking the gospels against the Hebrew texts they kept saying to themselves "Holy Shit, look, this *IS* true, look they predicted this would happen 300 years ago!" " Oh wow look at this, they predicted THIS would happen 400 years ago!" "Wow, this is great stuff!"

Of course, in reality, Mark and Matthew had just copied all of their scenes out of the Hebrew scriptures in the first place, so of course everything that happens in the "New Testament" was "predicted" in the "Old Testament".

aa5874

Here is what is written by Eusebius of Caesarea in the 'Proof' And later in ch 6, There is this Papal Decree by Pope Eugenius IV, The more research I do, I tend to think Christianity was the fabrication of a non-Jew, probably a Roman.

cognac

The methodology seems weak to me. Why would the writers have chosen those particular passages and not some others? There's a lot of OT to work with. If the borrowed passages were messianic, then why weren't all messianic passages incorporated (such that later Xns had to invent the idea of second coming to cover all their bases)? Parallelisms don't make for causality.