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Old 06-20-2007, 11:01 AM   #12
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Just two here:

The Old Testament
The New Testament
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:16 PM   #13
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Ever been buttonholed in the street by some darkie...
I'm not sure that the term "darkie" is an acceptable one in any society. It is certainly frowned upon in the States.

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As for the OP, I'd like to make a shirt that has "Jesus loves the little children..." on the front and "Unless they make fun of prophets (2 Kings 2:24)" on the back.

However, I would assume that most progressive Christians in the US see the OT as a mere foundation of their standards and as such apply any number of justifications to deny such verses any true merit or necessity in today's culture. When I joke with my still-Christian wife about OT verses like Deuteronomy 21:18 (which says to stone rebellious children), she simply rolls her eyes. I doubt spotlighting such verses do much to sway the majority of Christians in this country.

The OT (or what I saw as its incongruent connection to the NT) was one of the reasons I stopped being a Christian, but NT verses might be more effective. Of course, if your only intention is to "piss believers off"...then I guess that's your right. I'm not sure such a shallow and antagonistic response is necessary.

I must remind myself of that too often. Trust that I'm "preaching" to myself as well. No offense (or shallow antagonistic response from my end) is intended. :notworthy:
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Just two here:

The Old Testament
The New Testament
Constantine was the first to bind them together.
This happened in the year 331 CE, the same year
that Arius was poisoned in a bog-house in the
city of Constantine. Some 6 years after Con
had his military supremacy party at Nicaea, and
had edicted for the burning and destruction of the
writings of the leading academic of the empire.

Alarming to say the least, so we'll skip the murders
of his family and associated innocents, and the
priest Sopater.

But to stay on topic, and lead here by example,
the very worst NT passage:

"Render unto Constantine the things that are his..."

As a result, Julian found himself afloat in an empire
which had been robbed by a despot, and over which
a new state religion, recently appeared, was in place
having milked it since Nicaea.

He was convinced that the NT was a fiction of men
composed by wickedness. And I think he may have
been in a position to know the political history of the
age, does'nt anyone else?
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Getting back to the OP, as a Jew, I've always found this one to be pretty disgusting:

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24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"

25 All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"
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Getting back to the OP, as a Jew, I've always found this one to be pretty disgusting:

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24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"

25 All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"
I agree -- that's not what a typical lynch mob would say. Such a mob would instead shout

Death to Jesus!!!

And what is curious is that this is in the most "Jewish" of the Gospels, Matthew. It seems like Matthew was a rather obnoxious "Jew for Jesus" who wanted to put down his fellow Jews who rejected Jesus Christ.
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God hardened their hearts not to believe in Jesus, and they are thus,damned.
Reminds me of what I can't grade against the rock smashing bit: Ex 4:21, 7:4-5, the hardening of Pharao's heart, so that God would get an excuse to kill Egyptian children and Egypt's livestock etc.
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Numbers 31:

Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
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Numbers 13:

32And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

34And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

35And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
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Leviticus 25:44-46: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." (NIV)

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Ephesians 6: 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ
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