AJ113

Utter nonsense. Where does it say "If you think that I wouldn't ask for it then don't ask for it yourself?" It doesn't say that Magus. You have made it up. Your explanation is pure, typical, christian fabrication.

And second, if you believe. It takes an incredible amount of faith to truly believe that what you ask, you will receive. We always have doubts.

I see. So it's a cynical trick. Jesus makes it look he's telling us that we can have anything we want by asking in his name and believing, but what he really means is that since no-one truly believes, no-one will ever receive anything. Nice.

Magus55

Jesus would probably go out and feed starving Children himself instead of hoping God the Father would miraculously eradicate the problems humanity caused.

The Naked Mage

Actually, Jesus would PROBABLY do neither, since he doesn't have a very good track record in regard to providing. A symptom of being an entirely fictitious figure, I hear.

Calzaer

So much for "ask and ye shall receive" then, huh? What a liar.

So which is it? "Ask and ye shall receive," or "Do it yourself, you lazy bum"? You can't have it both ways.

mark9950

Or maybe being a type of david koresh figure who thinks he is a god without the power thereof.

PandaJoe

Well, according to you, the world was perfect before the fall, so what prayers would ever get answered? Since any problem would really be only a result of Original Sin, I guess Jesus only decides the outcome of college football.

lpetrich

That fig-tree story is fun. I remember reading the New Testament long ago, and finding that fig-tree story extremely revolting. It seemed so immature, something like what a little child would do. And I still feel that way about that story.

After all, if Jesus Christ can conjure up extra bread and fish, and can turn water into wine, he could say

Let there be figs!

and solve that problem without so much as hurting that poor tree.

Also, why can't an omnimax entity simply create Heaven and be done with it?

Magus55

He provided me salvation, gives me comfort, guidance, and reassurance. He is reality, not fiction.

Magus55

Huh? Heaven is already created. Thats where God is right now.

Hail

Have you ever been looking to buy a car and found that the one you have in mind starts showing up from around every corner? That is the power of attraction. You can be said to be attracting this thing to you. You don't know about that part of the process to hunbug it but the full delivery of what you desire is another matter. YOu believe that you can't get it or are unworth of it and so on .... You humbug the process. I think Jesus would have been trying to tell us how to ask but really couldn't get past laying the groundwork for such teaching ( Maybe). In one approach you could call it asking in another it might be called attracting either way it is shoddyly done when the mechanics of it is not known by the asker or attracter or ( user ). Thats when you say hey where's my stuff? How it's done is not being held secret from us but because of our mental construction of how thing are we will not ponder it period let alone enough figure it out. It's weird, laughable, rediculous not cool even to the relatively openminded folks. For the present anyway.