one allegiance

Not to get off topic (although it would be fitting considering how this thread is going), but the only thing we as humans can really call purely good is the will of a good will. Everything beyond the actuality of the will can be reduced to some motive or relative feeling. For patriarch to say that our thoughts are wicked b/c we are sinful is not as absurd as you think.

aa5874

This depraved characteristic of the so-called God of the Bible is highly deeming. The authors of this God are mental cases. The Christian Bible is filled with death threats and murder of every sort. Unreasonable acts of hatred prevail throughout its pages, there is no spiritual lesson to be learnt.

It is no wonder that no person alive today can say, without contradiction, that this God truly exist. No God can be so heinous and be real.

Patriarch Verlch

I'm tired of warning you to avoid inappropriate evolution tangents in BC&H. They will henceforth be deleted. Ignoring moderator warnings is a poor way to continue participating at IIDB but a really great way to get banned.


Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

Patriarch Verlch

That was before Jesus took over and calmed the Father down.

God the Father can not stand what is going on down here, and probably wants to destroy the whole planet.

Don't worry time is of the essence.

Liberals have never liked being told what to do. The bible in a sense shames people, they cannot handle this feeling. So you got made at the God of the bible, and create your own god through evolution, yourself, chance, and a whole string of genetic mutations.

Either ride with Him or collide with Him.

I'm sure every man goes by some of those same principles.

one allegiance

Did you know them. But anyway if you didn't you do have evidence to back this claim, right?

On who's part? So, when murder or something bad happens we credit that to God, but when something good happens God gets no credit, eh?

There is a lot of hatred in the world...it was no different back then then it is today.

"God truly exists". Is God illogical b/c he is just. So then justice is illogical, is what you should say. I'm sure I'll get a couple of comments on this claim, something to the effect of "that isn't justice" or "I don't know what justice is", but if we all already have a free ticket to heaven then what is the point of free will. What is the point of atonement. What is the point of NOT fulfilling every sinful thought I can.

EDIT: don't get me wrong, the universalist scheme would be great but not just. I want all of you rejoice with me in heaven. But that would mean we aren't choosing God, rather he is choosing us. I'm not waiting on God so he shows every atheist up and proves me right, so I can justly see others suffer. I'm waiting on God so I can unite with my creator, the one who gave me life and the one who without him none of this would be possible. The matter of God's coming isn't, to me, a matter of justice...I don't want to see anyone suffer.

ddc0708

The first bold statement nullifies the possibility that he is a loving, patient, and understanding God.

The second statement completely baffles me... please restate.


And finally, the third and last bold statement shows exactly where you're coming from. Simply another bible thumping right winger trying to preach tolerance, but never is accepting of it. Typical... just like Ann Coulter's new book. It also has a lack of understanding that there are many atheists who are probably politically conservative and probably don't believe in evolution while admitting that they don't know at the same time. I myself can honestly say that I don't take evolution as the truth, and I will be the first one to admit that I don't know what's out there, how we came to be, or for that matter universal theory. However, that isn't a cause to go believing some illogical and unproven fairytale just because it's convenient and easy. No, my friend, I'd rather put my trust in science and think rationally than be enshrouded by a tale that parents tell their children when they ask where people go when they die... simply so they don't have to feel sad.


No Christian can honestly say that logic and rational thought is in Christianity... if you do you're a liar.

Javaman

Continuation of evolution tangent removed. It takes two to sustain an inappropriate tangent, folks. Make an effort to avoid responding to what you know doesn't belong here.

Thanks in advance,


Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

Javaman

This is interesting enough that I think it deserves its own thread - GRD, I would think:

God's Son Calms Omniscient Deity - Please participate.

You have a mythology that tries to explain why we're here and what happens when we die. Those are a dime a dozen. Your superstition is no different than the others that have come and gone except your founding 'document' is so deeply flawed that it's a wonder anyone believes it. Which brings us all back to - Why are you not addressing the point of this thread???

TomboyMom

one allegiance and Patriarch, I see you are doing best to de-rail this thread. Perhaps you are not aware that here at IIDB we have separate fora to discuss separate topics, such as evolution, morality, etc. This thread is to present and discuss your evidence for historical documentation of Jesus. Do you have any, or are we done?

JustinFoldsFive

As I have noticed from this thread (and multiple others), when Christians are challenged, faced with objective, empirical evidence, and are unable to provide objective, empirical evidence for their position, they always do one thing...CHANGE THE SUBJECT! I mean, what's the need in actually conceding a point when you can just debate some other issue instead?! The flood? Gay marriage? Evolution? What do these have to do with extra-biblical evidence?! Nothing at all. So Patriarch and one allegiance, why are you continually getting sidetracked by these issues? We understand that you are eager to debate any and every hot button issue regarding Christianity, but when you create your own thread attempting to offer extra-biblical evidence, and then repeatedly change the topic when challenged, it kind of makes us doubt your credibility on the original topic; EXTRA-BIBLICAL EVIDENCE.

Atheism - A lack of belief in the existance of God or gods.

Scientists are not creating a God. Darwin did not create a God. Atheists do not believe in a God. Your statement is a straw man.

But this is all make believe. It is unintelligable and has no place in a discussion over extra-biblical evidence. So, please stop preaching and acting as if atheists are going to suffer for eternity.