Jeffrey Formosa

The next time some say's you killed Jesus use this:

If we must crucify Jesus every time we sin, then what did he mean when he said, "It is Finished"? Hebrews 6:5-6 mocks this belief that one can fall so far from God that Jesus must be crucified and put to shame all over again. It's done, there is no need for a daily crucifixion. We are to pick up our crosses daily, meaning that we must be ready to endure the pain and humility that will come our way in this sinful world; but Christ's job is done. To say we killed Christ is kind of a stretch - "his death was a result of our sin" is a better way to put it. We were IN Adam when he sinned, and in the same way we were in Christ when we were made pure. We died with Christ, were buried, and have been resurected to live pure lives through grace, not threatened by the judgement under the law. Hope that helps.

Let me add to that...."You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly." Christ death was planned, was needed, was what God deemed sufficient for sanctification of his people. It's not that we killed Him, it's that God loved us so much, and wanted to be reunited with his people that He wanted it done.

variant 13

Why would an all-powerful god need to kill his/her/its own son/self for this to happen?

Or is it just that it was a big PR stunt?

And why would we need a defence?

Jeffrey Formosa

Use it to shut them up.

beanpie

The way religion is taught, I can certainly understand WHY, one would be an atheist.

I once heard it said that, an atheist is akin to seeing a book, then stating it has no author.

variant 13

I feel no need to defend myself from such a claim, nor would I want them to stop talking. I like talking to people

No, we know books have authors (though I suppose we could get a computer to do it now). It's the same arguement for the watch and having a design - done and dusted really.

Religion is taught in a very effective way which is why it's so popular it's called indoctrination, usually starts at a very young age.

Gawdawful

That reminds me of that Baptist minister that tried to convince me of the existence of god while on a church picnic in the mountains of Southwestern Colorado. He said everywhere he looked he saw the handiwork of god and asked me how I could not see it that way. I told him, as we looked out over the beautiful Dolores River canyon at sunset, that I saw many natural processes at work, including erosion occuring over hundreds of thousands of years that exposed layer upon layer of sedimentary rock deposited over millions of years and igneous rock thrust up by tectonic forces to the elevations we see before us. In other words, I think the "book" is "written" by fajillions of anonymous contributors over a bazillion years, not by some invisible magic man in the sky.


Warren (once exclusive license-holder to bad analogies)

beanpie

I believe this is correct.

I do not believe things were created " by some invisible magic man in the sky". That is ludicrous.

Toto

I don't see any Biblical Criticism or History here, so I think this might be better in GRD.

Gawdawful

Then what do you think is meant by the analogy you posted?
Warren

NeoApostate

Atheists killed Jesus? I thought it was the Romans. Wouldn't that be polytheists killed Jesus?