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Johnny Skeptic · 01-21-2008, 01:08 PM

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The Canaanites no longer exist at all. Sorry, the Palestians are not Canaanites.

But the main issue is whether or not the Partition of Palestine was a fulfillment of Bible prophecy, and Genesis 17:8 proves that it wasn't.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 01:11 PM

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The problem with your little analogy is that the greek gods did not make any prophecies concerning the greek peoples.

1. It is not his analogy; it belongs to arnoldo. If it's broken, then it's arnoldo's job to fix it.

2. How do you know the greek gods didn't make any prophecies about the greek people? (Hint: you are wrong).

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The God of the Jews did. Israel is hard evidence that God sits on His throne....He exist. :wave:

Repeating your desired conclusion doesn't move you one inch closer to proving it.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 01:12 PM

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In any event the prophecy was fulfilled,

Says who? Still waiting on you to prove that claim, you know?

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you neglect that God frequently uses military/politics of other nations for his own purposes.

Already rebutted that defense, remember?

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The Canaanites no longer exist at all. Sorry, the palestians are not canaanites.

Wrong.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 01:14 PM

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You've obviously never read the Iliad or the Odyssey, or even a basic introduction to Greek religion. Have you ever heard of the Oracle at Delphi? Prophecy was a key part of their religion.

I have read the Odyssey and have visited Greece and actually went to Delphi. Did the Greek Prophecies ever come true? If so please list examples.

Not necessary. You haven't proven that the Hebrew prophecies came true yet. Until you do that, your argument is stuck in the mud.

sugarhitman · 01-21-2008, 01:15 PM

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The Partition of Palestine (a future thread) was not a partition to create a Jewish state but a home land for both Jews and Arabs with the Arabs being the Majority. Land promised to the Jews was given to Transjordan, and Jerusalem was to be a U.N. controled site. The White Paper limited the number of Jews allowed to this land.

Which in practice was ignored.

As I said before: you have a strange definition of "oppose". When a country or an organization takes land from Arabs and gives it to Jews that is hardly "oppose". More like "come right in and make yourself at home."

Because Israel stole it (at least, E. Jerusalem) from Arabs? Just a thought.

1. They obtained it by using Great Britain as a hired bully to push Arabs out.

2. If obtaining land in war is acceptable, then I don't see where you have any right to complain.

If I promise to give you my neighbor's house - without getting my neighbor to agree on the deal - what good is the promise?

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Critics like all bible prophecy will reject it even when it is unfolding right before their eyes, why?

Because the evidence doesn't support the claim.

So you agree then that the Partition was not a plan for a restored Israel? They the Jews ignored it and did what they want? You are correct sir the restoration of Israel was not planned in the Partition. Thus the argument that the west founded the State of Israel as you just agreed to was not planned. Thanks. :wave:

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 01:16 PM

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No matter,

Big matter, actually.

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Israel exists this very moment

But you haven't proven that this is the Israel that was prophesied - as opposed to some other frankenstein monster creation.

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and will never again be uprooted from the land.

Wishful thinking? Unless you have a time machine you have no idea what hte future will hold.

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History will prove this correct just as it has proved prophecy fulfilled in Tyre.

Except the Tyre prophecy failed.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 01:18 PM

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Fine. Do modern-day Hindus prove that the existence of Hindu gods?

Modern-day Hindus believe in their gods. Since that is your criterion for the bible God, then the Hindu gods must exist too, since they have modern believers.

Checkmate.:wave:

Sorry, can you name a single Hindu prophecy which has come true?

I don't have to. You haven't shown a single prophecy of the Hebrews that has come to pass. I listed the criteria before; do you need a refresher?

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Try again.

Unnecessary. You still haven't fulfilled your burden of proof yet.

Kharakov · 01-21-2008, 01:20 PM

All arnoldo has to do is show something that has occurred that can not have been brought about by men wanting the prophecy to be fulfilled.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 01:20 PM

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How bizarre. It's your analogy, not his.

You were the one who set up the analogy, and the cause-effect relationship between (a) believers in a religion and (b) the existence of a deity in that religion.

What makes you think other people buy into that analogy?:huh:

You continue to fail to realize that Israel currently exists at this very moment as a direct fulfilment of prophecy.

I'm fully aware of everything I need to be aware of. You have simply failed to prove that "Israel as fulfilled prophecy" is the case. You continue to repeat it, but repetition is not proof. I gave you the criteria to prove your case; but you're too lazy to do the work.

Don't blame me because you're lazy.

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Just because you fail to understand the prophecy doesn't mean it's not true. Have you proven a single prophecy false? :huh:

You're confused about burden of proof again. I don't have to prove the prophecy false. You have to prove it TRUE.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 01:21 PM

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Wrong.

The rest of your post is just wishful thinking and repetition of your views on prophecy, not actual political analysis. Mercifully deleted.

Sorry, there does not exist a State of Palestine.

Wrong.

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