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Peter Kirby · 08-20-2004, 05:12 PM

This article refers to "the famous cynical British pamphlet, proving that, in terms of formal logic, Napoleon could never have existed, being far too mythological to be true."

Does anyone have any idea on how I can read this pamphlet?

Please, no discussion on the likelihood of Napoleon's existence or any other famous figure.

best,
Peter Kirby

Peter Kirby · 08-20-2004, 05:18 PM

This post makes this reference:

"M. PERES'S PROOF OF THE NON-EXISTENCE OF NAPOLEON. The Open Court, July, 1903. pages 385-392 inclus."

It may be related.

best,
Peter Kirby

Toto · 08-20-2004, 06:19 PM

There is an Open Court publishing house in Chicago, but I suspect that this pamplet is British.

Perhaps Bede could help you.

Shameless Hussy · 08-20-2004, 06:21 PM

How's your french?
http://www.phdn.org/negation/fous/napoleon.html

This does not appear to be a BRITISH pamphlet, and appears to rely on pseudo-pagan cult conspiracy theory stuff, not formal logic, so I'm not sure if this is what M. Cheminade was referring to. Then again, Cheminade, LaRouche, et.al. find Freemason/Zionist/banker conspiracies HIGHLY logical, so who knows...

(I assume you know who LaRouche and Cheminade are?)

Shameless Hussy · 08-20-2004, 06:27 PM

In english:
http://www.tektonics.org/nappy.html

Peter Kirby · 08-20-2004, 06:57 PM

Thank you, S.H. That is interesting reading. Apparently the French librarian J.-B. Péres (1827) was writing against C.F. Dupuis. An online copy of his work can be found here:

AN EXPLANATION OF THE FABLE, IN WHICH THE SUN
IS WORSHIPPED UNDER THE NAME OF CHRIST. (1798)
http://members.cox.net/srice1/books/dupuis/dupuis9.htm

best,
Peter Kirby

Peter Kirby · 08-20-2004, 07:00 PM

Searching the Tekton site, I find that there is a separate British pamphlet along the same theme:

http://www.tektonics.org/JPH_DMMM.html
Then there is Richard Whately, in "Historic doubts relative to Napoleon Bonaparte" (London, 1849) shows, on the basis of Hume's criteria of assessment of evidence and testimony, that Napoleon never existed. [Univ. Lib. 562:3.c.95.5] cited by Jardine/Frasca-Spara here HPS Part II Primary Sources: David Hume, 'Of Miracles'

Will the wonder of the Internet also produce Whately's document?!

best,
Peter Kirby

Peter Kirby · 08-20-2004, 07:02 PM

Yes, here it is!

http://elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/CHRIS...-napoleon.html
HISTORIC DOUBTS RELATIVE TO NAPOLEON BUONAPARTE
Whately's Essay on Napoleon

Now I'm off to read it!

best,
Peter Kirby

Shameless Hussy · 08-20-2004, 07:23 PM

HEY! This IS interesting!

But if you go farther into the article cited in the OP, you'll notice that the speaker seems to use, of all things, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Great Shadow" as an example of those nasty british Napoleon myth-mongers. I can't think of anything funnier than a French nationalist getting huffy over Doyle. Sacre bleu!

08-20-2004, 05:12 PM	#1
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Old Pamphlet on Napoleon? This article refers to "the famous cynical British pamphlet, proving that, in terms of formal logic, Napoleon could never have existed, being far too mythological to be true." Does anyone have any idea on how I can read this pamphlet? Please, no discussion on the likelihood of Napoleon's existence or any other famous figure. best, Peter Kirby

08-20-2004, 06:21 PM	#4
Shameless Hussy Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: California Posts: 435	Re: Against my better judgement... How's your french? http://www.phdn.org/negation/fous/napoleon.html This does not appear to be a BRITISH pamphlet, and appears to rely on pseudo-pagan cult conspiracy theory stuff, not formal logic, so I'm not sure if this is what M. Cheminade was referring to. Then again, Cheminade, LaRouche, et.al. find Freemason/Zionist/banker conspiracies HIGHLY logical, so who knows... (I assume you know who LaRouche and Cheminade are?)

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08-20-2004, 05:18 PM	#2
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	This post makes this reference: "M. PERES'S PROOF OF THE NON-EXISTENCE OF NAPOLEON. The Open Court, July, 1903. pages 385-392 inclus." It may be related. best, Peter Kirby

08-20-2004, 06:19 PM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	There is an Open Court publishing house in Chicago, but I suspect that this pamplet is British. Perhaps Bede could help you.

08-20-2004, 06:27 PM	#5
Shameless Hussy Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: California Posts: 435	In english: http://www.tektonics.org/nappy.html

08-20-2004, 06:57 PM	#6
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Thank you, S.H. That is interesting reading. Apparently the French librarian J.-B. Péres (1827) was writing against C.F. Dupuis. An online copy of his work can be found here: AN EXPLANATION OF THE FABLE, IN WHICH THE SUN IS WORSHIPPED UNDER THE NAME OF CHRIST. (1798) http://members.cox.net/srice1/books/dupuis/dupuis9.htm best, Peter Kirby

08-20-2004, 07:00 PM	#7
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Searching the Tekton site, I find that there is a separate British pamphlet along the same theme: http://www.tektonics.org/JPH_DMMM.html Then there is Richard Whately, in "Historic doubts relative to Napoleon Bonaparte" (London, 1849) shows, on the basis of Hume's criteria of assessment of evidence and testimony, that Napoleon never existed. [Univ. Lib. 562:3.c.95.5] cited by Jardine/Frasca-Spara here HPS Part II Primary Sources: David Hume, 'Of Miracles' Will the wonder of the Internet also produce Whately's document?! best, Peter Kirby

08-20-2004, 07:02 PM	#8
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Yes, here it is! http://elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/CHRIS...-napoleon.html HISTORIC DOUBTS RELATIVE TO NAPOLEON BUONAPARTE Whately's Essay on Napoleon Now I'm off to read it! best, Peter Kirby

08-20-2004, 07:23 PM	#9
Shameless Hussy Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: California Posts: 435	HEY! This IS interesting! But if you go farther into the article cited in the OP, you'll notice that the speaker seems to use, of all things, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Great Shadow" as an example of those nasty british Napoleon myth-mongers. I can't think of anything funnier than a French nationalist getting huffy over Doyle. Sacre bleu!

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