aychamo

Hey guys..

In the flood story, why is it only land animals were killed? Why not the fish? Or did noah capture whales and keep them on the ark also? And why didn't the earth being one big waterbowl of the same type of water kill all the fish that are obligate salt or fresh water?

goddidit

CX

You answered your own question. Perhaps you'd like to develop the question itself a little further. Are you looking for common apologetic responses to inconsistencies in the Genesis account(s) of the flood or are you looking for Historico-Critical reasons for the mistakes?

Kosh

All whales have micro-evolved from the seal "kind".

Next?

aychamo

I'm looking for the apologetic reasons for the inconsistency

gagster

1. There were pockets of salt water (if most of the water was fresh), or there were pockets of fresh water (if most of the water was salt).

2. Some fish can live in either salt water or fresh water.

3. Fish don't need to be on the ark - they live in water!

4. If god wanted the fish to live, then they would have lived. He is god after all.

5. That's a good question. What's the next question?

That's all the apologetics I'm aware of.


Greg

Kuu

Is there any apologetic answer given to what the fish actually ate when the seabed was 1000s of feet below them? Shallow water fish would really be in trouble IMO. They couldn't eat each other as the YECs state that all animals were vegetarians (at least I think that is what they say).

aychamo

lol. Obvious. God let the fish be able to withstand the thousands and thousands of PSI that woudl be put on them to swim down thousands of feet under the water. And, he also let them be able to see, and change diets, etc.

gagster

I'm not sure. I guess they'd go with #4 and #5.

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I just went over to the ICR's website to see if they had any answers to your question. I did find this quote:

...it was shown how both salt-intolerant and salt-requiring fish, as well as amphibians, could have survived the Flood, even if there were no stable layers of fresh and salt water in the shoreless ocean.

That's a quote from John Woodmorappe hawking his book. http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-273.htm

Guess you have to buy the book to find out how. My guess is he's going with #2 on my list.

You can get his book for just twenty-four bucks over at Amazon.com. From the reader's reviews there, it sounds pretty good.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg.../-/0932766412/

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Here's another quote from the ICR web site:

The ark had to transport only land animals, of course...

See!?! That was item #3 on my list.
http://www.icr.org/bible/bhta42.html

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Here's a page that addresses this issue at creationscience.com:
http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...html#wp1674177

Salty, subterranean water, erupting onto the earth’s surface, would not have rapidly mixed with the less salty preflood seas.

That's #1 on my list. The author also uses #2. He says that the seas weren't all that salty before the flood and so saltwater fish evolved afterwards:

Fish trapped in continental basins were the potential ancestors of our freshwater fish. ... Meanwhile, fish that ended up in the new oceans either had to tolerate slowly increasing salinity or face extinction. Survivors became our saltwater fish.

But don't worry. That's not macro-evolution.

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Answers in Genesis goes with #2:

Many of today’s marine organisms, especially estuarine and tidepool species, are able to survive large changes in salinity.

They also throw in #1, just to be safe:

There is also a possibility that stable fresh and saltwater layers developed and persisted in some parts of the ocean. Freshwater can sit on top of saltwater for extended periods of time.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home...ook/fish14.asp

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From what I can find, creationists haven't really addressed what fish ate during the flood. Maybe Noah stopped at the pet supply store beforehand and he periodically sprinkled fish food into the ocean.


Greg

Brian_iiiii

Maybe God DID destroy all the fish, but commanded Noah to create salt water and fresh water compartments in the lower hold of the ark. I guess he could have taken on baby whales and baby giant squid to save space.

Certainly if you believe that a big boat could hold and feed two of every large land mammal on this planet, it would be no problem to swallow the idea of part of the boat converted into large fish tanks.

aychamo

It must be nice being a creationist... To be able to write basically ANYTHING, and everyone will believe you because it supports their agenda (pushing genesis, etc)