Conchobar

3000 innocent people died on 9-11. That was a sad tragedy. You put a smiley face to that message of bizarre psychotic pseudoprophesy. You have insulted the families of all of those people. You are despicable.

As far as Bible prophesies go, I can give you a propheys. I will get some cheap bibles to use as toilet paper to wipe my arse. I prophesy that the bible pages WILL BE COVERETH in shite. THEN FLUSHED WITH OTHER RUBBISH, to a sewage treatment plant.

Conchobar

Kattaz

Conchobar, one time die only 3000 people (not a big deal) of your side and you make noise. How about crimes of your people commited against childs of Afganistan and Irak? Sure, if 11 september is a tragedy, then America is guitly for many tragedies. I guess they get the payment back! Do you know that you killed 2.000.000 Vietnam people? How about native americans, where they are?

Koyaanisqatsi, bombs placed at basement of buildings is only a presumtion, and is needed because two earthquakes in that moment are too strage for a atheist vision. About John, is useful to know what mean then a hour: they divide the day in twelve parts, each one corresponding one hour. Because the daylight is not constant, the hour have a different duration. The time here is measured exclusively, and that mean only when a entire hour was pass, it count like prophecy time. And I don’t retreat from my original claim. WTC will never be found again; to kill a lion what you have to do: burn it all or pierce the heart? I guess you have to thank the God for His wisdom to not destoy entire New York. If you say „no one buys in the city of Babilon ...” you say more than Bible; it is no need to modify the Bible. Revelation 18:4-8 refers to seven plagues who didn’t come yet, and is a prove that not entire city is destroyed in Babylon collapse. If you say „All still being exported to this day” you admit that New York is the city that Revelation speak, and that’s a good start; the true is economic effects have taken place and World Trade Center is no longer New York. Also how do you want John to describe, like a man who live almost 2000 years ago, computers, cars, airplanes, glass in sun light, and others? If all boats were ordered to dock, that mean they stand far off, like Bible said; thanks for help! If you read Revelation 18, you see that no angel should appear because he is view only by John, and he serve like a comparation for Babylon collapse. Also, all activities from WTC are forever down, because WTC is no more. Overall, even I don’t agree Bush is anti-Christ, you have a reasonable understand of justice and people care, more than many christians who imagine themself that they are saved.

Doctor X

An individual who has given away all the attributes required of a gentleman spouts thusly:

Since the US-British and other Coalition militaries did not target civilians, have spent millions on precision weapons to avoid civilians--compare to other wars--did not hijack an Afghani or Iraqi plane to target civilians I must recognized this as the craven polemic it is.

Nice to know that "past tragedy" justifies "future tragedy." This does not work in international law, ethics, or common decency.

Whether one wishes to accept that these were all innocent civilians "minding their own business" or not, the civilians did not kill them. Indeed, many in the Twin Towers were not born.

Apparently, those foreigners killed by the terrorist attack have to pay for real or imagined tragedies.

To quote Sanjuro Yojimbo: "Can't help fools."

--J.D.

Conchobar

I would condemn the Radical Muslims who follow an evil religion for the WTC bombing. But don't blame me for Afghanistan and Irak. There were no Irish troops in either of those wars. My country is nuetral in all international conflicts. You are a Muslim extremist. Your Quran teaches you to hate me because I am an Atheist, possibly because I am a Celt. But don't blame the Irish for exploitation in the Middle East. Ireland did not fight Vietnam. Ireland was itself a colony of the British Empire while Americans were killing Native Americans. Go read a history book. You are incredibly ignorant. I bet you don't even know where Ireland is located or what is the ethnicity of its people.

I personally do not care about the Middle East. Arabs themselves consider human life to be cheap. The consider women to be animals. They use their own children as bombs. That is the action of bloody cowards who cannot defeat the superior Israeli soldiers in battle. 100 million Arabs were defeated over and over by 2 million Israelis. If I were an Arab, I would be deeply ashamed.

I consider Muhammad to be an insane man whose delusions led his followers to kill hundreds of Millions of people over the centuries.

BTW, while I opposed the Iraq War, and happy that my country, Ireland stayed out of it. But I must say that if one is to fight a war, one must fight to win. Americans and Brits are still taking casualties in those so-called nations of savages. I would have destroyed Tikrit 6 months ago. If they retaliated for every attack on soldiers, and retaliated 1000 fold, the attacks would soon stop or the people would turn against the terrorists.

The solution is to allow Irak to divide into three ethnic states, Kurdistan in the North, Sunnistan in the Middle, and Shiitestan in the south. Then get the Anglo-Americans pull out, so the savages can kill each other while I laugh hysterically on the evening telly news.

Conchobar

Doctor X

Conchobar:

Do not think we have forgotten such unspeakable Irish attrocities as U2. . . .

Slan

--J.D.

Amaleq13

Perhaps, in Romania, the firemen and police have to be ordered to do their duty but that isn't how it works here.

Over 2700 people died in those towers and you are claiming that two thirds of those deaths were rescue workers? Just when I thought you couldn't make a more idiotic claim than those contained in your previous posts, you prove me wrong. Do you have any facts to back this ridiculous claim {Comment deleted}.


PS I think you must have missed a couple conspiracy newsletters because {Comment deleted} claim that the important people were warned ahead of time to avoid the entire city.

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I would like to introduce myself to you personally, Kattaz. My real name is Rhonda. I worked in WTC 5 on the corner of Church and Vessey Streets, across the street from The Millenium Hilton and Century 21. I worked for a company named Borders Books and Music. On that day, my soon to be husband and I went into work together. I was off that day, but I kissed him goodbye a little after 8am. I got into my apartment in Brooklyn a few minutes before the first plane hit the first tower.
Others have posted the exact times for everything. So I won't do that again. But I will say that I spent five hours thinking that my husband was dead. I spent two days looking for my friends, a cousin, and coworkers. I heard the last words of about 20 people in Tower 2 before it collasped because a man named Peter called in to z100 minutes before the tower fell to say that he loved his wife and the firefighters were going to get him out.
I lost 40 of my regular customers. I worked with their children in the kid's book section, so I remembered their faces when they were on t.v. and each one I could put a child's face to.
I don't care about your religion. I don't care about your politics. What I do care about is your assumption that the suffering of everyone that day is to be swept over in your mind as justifiable.
I have wept for those in Iraq and Afghanistan ON BOTH SIDES.
You look at America and see what you want to see, not what is reality. And you and followers of your doctrine is what I despise most about this world.
If not for people who think that death is justifiable, that revenge is right, that war is right, I would not have almost lost my husband. I would not have spent a week on a mental ward because I cracked up. People like you are a poison because you seem to think that the entire world revolves around your theology and your philosophy.
We are not just another country across the Atlantic. We are your kin, your brothers and sisters in humanity. We are all human, whether we have the same god or politics or any other of the man-made nonsense that we come up with.
And that you would actually put a smiley face on my pain, on the thousands here that suffered stabbed me so hard in my heart that I went in the other room just to look at my husband because I almost lost the best thing about my life BECAUSE OF RELIGOUS ZEALOTS WHO BELIEVE IN A FICTIONAL GOD THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
God is IN YOU. God is in all of us. God is LIFE. When will you and all the other people in the world stop believing these lies? When will you open your eyes and see the world for the living thing that it is and the humanity within it for what it is and not what stigmas you attach to it?
How can you sit there so smug and sure in your knowledge while my heart hangs heavy so heavy in my chest for all suffering that man does to each other in all circumstances?
Where the hell is your compassion? Your love for others?
Have you sunk so blindly into your faith that you have ceased to function as a human being and FEEL?
I should never, never have even allowed myself to even open this thread. Never.
I pity you. I pity you because you don't feel. Because you can't even open your eyes and see PEOPLE and not fucking doctrine.

Postcard73

These posts were split from this thread in BC&H. I think there is enough religious content for this split to be placed in GRD, but I'm very, very tired. If another mod comes along and disagrees, then feel free to move it again.

Scott (Postcard73)
BC&H Moderator

Heurismus

It's all cryptoinsanity and not worth half a sparrows fart. How such a monsterous assertion could be made after 9/11 is truly assinine-no further comment. And that is the first hopping mad avatar I have ever used. If this is a serious point then I do not think it funny. People died and the fiction goes on.

breathilizer

Did no one else notice that Kattaz went TOTALLY off subject? I thought this thread was about the crap with evangelists associating 9/11 with the Bible.

If the discussion were about the morals (or lack thereof) behind the hijacking and crashing of two planes by Islamic extremists into densely populated civilian skyscrapers, Kattaz might have an argument.

However, because Kattaz has not addressed the issue at hand, I don't see why you guys even bother.

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To avoid hypocracy, I will say this about it:

I thought the Bible was about things that happened in the past, not the future.

What? Buildings didn't fall down a lot back then? Hell, Berlin couldn't keep a wall up past 1989; how does one expect not to find stories about falling buildings in 2,000 year old fiction novels?