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Old 12-07-2005, 10:56 PM   #11
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Genesis 1-2 "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters..."
Gen. chapters 1-3 are beautiful and explosive with metaphor. It has nothing to do with the creation of the planet or even life on earth.
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Like a storm...electrical...the tempest...jumpstarting the new begining...
The ego (identity), previously established in darkness, the hidden subconscious, is transformed into a conscious being of Light...The color purple,related to the sahasrara, the highest chakra...And don't we go through a transformation of animals as we develop within the waters of the plascenta? Aren't WE the Ark? And then you say "for one thousand years"...as the lotus opening in our consciousness has 1000 petals...
Yes yes and yes and I am not an expert on Buddhism but it is universal, native to man, and rightfully ours unless religion fucks it up before we get there. The encounter is called the Beatific Vision which is when the veil is rent between the conscious and subconscious mind . . . either fully or in part and that is where your chakras are different. So from here religion tries to increase and enhance this experience.

We are the Ark in our lotus (?). We call her Mary and devotion to her is the building the Ark that she will see us through from Sotapanna as stream entrant to the final stage of Nirvana. She's home in Rome and therefore Rome is home to say that she is very much religion specific just as the lotus flower is in buddhism (although I am not sure if the lotus is her equivalent). It makes it all very much tradition based and nothing we do, as in willfully do, can change this much.

The white candle in our advent wreath represents our baptism candle which is the glimmer of hope we see as when the dove returns with a laurel to show that dry land is in sight. But here again, water is the moving metaphor.
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See, THAT is the death of the Buddha we were talking about the other day!
Why death to it? Because it is not a source of TRUTH but of imaginary reflections...imaginary as in "a reflection" of the REAL thing, just like a mirror's image is not the real thing...In order to focus on the real thing one has to
"kill" the focus one has on the reflected image...
I don't remember that but you just can't go aroung killing people's ego.

Yes, it is true that the ego is killed but not until the Buddhist claims to be a Buddha just as Jesus did when he was a stream entrant but not yet fully Christ (the Gospels are our Sotapannahood) . . . which he became when religion killed his ego.

Why death? Because you can't have one leg in heaven and one on earth. That is, we are either resident of our conscious or of our subconscious mind but not both. Saved sinners are but they will die because the illusion never left them. So yes, kill the focus because the ego has no existence of being (no body to kill).

That is my take on it.
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I don't remember that but you just can't go aroung killing people's ego.

Yes, it is true that the ego is killed but not until the Buddhist claims to be a Buddha just as Jesus did when he was a stream entrant but not yet fully Christ (the Gospels are our Sotapannahood) . . . which he became when religion killed his ego.

Why death? Because you can't have one leg in heaven and one on earth. That is, we are either resident of our conscious or of our subconscious mind but not both. Saved sinners are but they will die because the illusion never left them. So yes, kill the focus because the ego has no existence of being (no body to kill).

That is my take on it.
It means "kill the illusion" or,better yet, kill the FOCUS ON THE ILLUSION...
Why do you think Jesus "killed" himself on the cross?
So that the Christ would live...One had to be DIMINISHED so that the other could be INCREASED... Remember? What died was his ego,his remaining attachment to Yeshua...The symbols of bread and wine(blood) are the sacrifice, or death,or leaving behind,of attachment to body(bread)(mind) and the attchment to our body(blood)(physical)...
Now, in my opinion,we can be both residents of the conscious and the subconscious,but it is not here nor there...In fact it is where we are right now!...We are aiming at becoming FULLY conscious, but we are not completely there yet...We are UNVEILING that which was veiled(relation to the torn veil of the temple)...
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It means "kill the illusion" or,better yet, kill the FOCUS ON THE ILLUSION...
Why do you think Jesus "killed" himself on the cross?
So that the Christ would live...One had to be DIMINISHED so that the other could be INCREASED... Remember? What died was his ego,his remaining attachment to Yeshua...The symbols of bread and wine(blood) are the sacrifice, or death,or leaving behind,of attachment to body(bread)(mind) and the attchment to our body(blood)(physical)...
Now, in my opinion,we can be both residents of the conscious and the subconscious,but it is not here nor there...In fact it is where we are right now!...We are aiming at becoming FULLY conscious, but we are not completely there yet...We are UNVEILING that which was veiled(relation to the torn veil of the temple)...
Aristotle called it a change of vision from hyletic to noetic = obscured to omniscient which goes beyond lyric where poets and mystics hang out.

Jesus was in charge of the crucifixion which is made known by "it is finished."

The sacrifice was the attachements to our senses that were peirced and so was the brow and the cavity of our chest where tanha originates (the heart was pierced from the wrong side to cross this "large heart of heroes").

Reason is placed subservient in resurrection. Christ was set free under Bar-abbas and Jesus was 'raised' fully bereft of the human condition including Judaism under the watchfull eye of Herod. Christ was JBap who was the favorite apostle that was born from the netherworld of our subconscious mind to which Jesus (the omega) was added to become Christ Jesus and later Jesus Christ in religious form.

I think that a re-routing of our nerve endings take splace and this would not allow us to be resident of both. It would confirm "eternal bliss" and good health in Eden, but I am not sure. Did I not see that in Buddhism someplace?
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