sugarhitman

"At its peak in the 12th century, the empire comprised most of the territory of modern-day Germany, Austria, Switzerland, eastern France, Belgium, Netherlands, western Poland, the Czech republic and Italy." Encarta. Msn Holy ROMAN Empire.

"The Romans and their empire gave cultural and POLITICAL SHAPE to the subsequent history of Europe from the middle ages and the Renaissance to the present day."--Encarta (I.E. the Europeans inherited also the power of the Roman Empire....just as Daniel foretold.)

"The Holy Roman Empire was potentially EUROPE'S GREATEST STATE."--- Historylearningsite


"Although the emperors were accorded dimplomatic precedence over other rulers, their suzerainty early ceased over France, Italy, Denmark, Poland, and Hungary; and their control over England, Sweden, and Spain was never more than nominal."---encyclopedia ("Wheares you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron the kingdom shall be divided. They shall mingle themselves with the seed of man, but they shall not cleave to one another.---Daniel)

States once apart of the Roman (Holy) Empire.

Denmark; Germany, Spain, Switzerland; Slovenia; Luxembourg; Liechtenstein; Portugal; France; Britian (England); Italy; Netherlands, Austria; Poland; Belgium, Greece; Turkey; Czech republic
*Russia* (Russia was founded and ruled by the Vikings, the Anglo-Saxons are a Germanic tribe. After the fall of east Rome, Russia saw itself as the "Third Rome." see history of "Third Rome") Hungary.



The people of these nations have colonized the whole world. They are also behind the push for World Government (and they will get it). And unto this day these people dominate the whole world (Yes including China which was a colony of England, and also Japan. These two economic power houses were built up by the Europeans.)

"And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything and like iron that crushes, that kingdom shall break into pieces and crush all the other (kingdoms)."---Daniel predicting the undisputed rule of the Roman-European Kingdom.


There is no seperating the Europeans from the Romans anyone who tries this is not being truthful about European history. (To the reader, dont let guys like Sheshong deceive you concerning Rome and the Europeans they are inseperable....study the history.) :wave:

sugarhitman

Sheshong is going to far now, by saying that Israel was not a nation during the times of Rome. How absurd and blatently intellectually dishonest. Its pointless debating someone in such a state. All he is doing is exposing himself by saying such things to cover his errors.....but errors upon errors will become more ludicrous in time.

Sheshonq

All of which is irrelevant, since the HRE is not the successor to the Roman Empire. If there was a "successor", it was the Byzantine Empire.

Care to try again?

Sheshonq

That is what the historical record says. Don't like it? Tough shit.

sharrock

Not to contribute to this debate but just to throw a general opinion in... I can never understand this prophecy nonsense. If God knows what's coming next then there's no striving, no hope, no expectations, nothing to work for... i.e. complete and utter boredom so what's the point ? It's all over and done with without it happening.

sugarhitman

ha,ha!, what historical sources says that the Western portions of the Roman empire (West Rome, and Holy Rome) are not connected to the Roman Empire? And that the Europeans are distinct from the Romans....the burden is on you to disprove my sources....with your present comment I guess you cant find none....excepting yourself ofcourse.

lpetrich

The Holy Roman Empire? As Voltaire had noted, it was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. It was founded by Charlemagne in 800 CE, and he wanted the prestige of the Roman Empire, thus its name. That is why the Byzantines preferred to call themselves Romans rather than Greeks or Byzantines, despite their being mostly Greek.

But over most of the centuries since, the HRE had been a loose confederation and rather far from a unified empire. It lasted a little over a thousand years, being dissolved in 1806.

In any case, sugarhitman's claimed prophecy fulfillments suggest an overactive imagination more than anything else.

Israel/Palestine has changed hands numerous times since the Dual Monarchy:

Assyria (northern kingdom)
Babylonian Empire
Persian Empire
Alexander the Great's generals and their successors
The Maccabees
The Roman Empire
The Umayyad Caliphate
The Abbasid Caliphate
The Crusader Kingdoms
The Ottoman Turks
The British Mandate
Modern Israel

sugarhitman

Correction Palestine has changed hands since the Dual Monarchy...Israel was no longer a nation after A.D. 70.

Daniel is only concerned with those nations who rules over Israel begining with Babylon. Umayyad, Abbasid, Crusaders, Ottoman, British, never ruled over Israel because Israel was long gone.

Nations in Daniel's vision that rules Israel
1Babylon
2.Medo-Persia
3.Greece
4.Rome
5. Divided Rome (Nations of Europe) which is yet future.



And Daniel did say that the 4th kingdom would fall into seperate powers...which explains why European unity has always been weak or non-existant. :wave:

Sheshonq

Israel was no more a nation in AD 70 than it was under these empires either:

Assyria (northern kingdom)
Babylonian Empire
Persian Empire
Alexander the Great's generals and their successors

sugarhitman

So childish, but here goes...www.Historylearningsite.com Wikipedia "The European Union" "Russia" "Holy Roman Empire" "Roman Empire", www.encarta. msn.com "The Holy Roman Empire,". These sources makes it absolutely clear that the Roman Empire was a European Empire. Now gives your source that seperates the Europeans from the Romans.