Adam

Dan Barker Easter Challenge
I had never thought Dan Barker's challenge could be adequately answered, but I'm now setting out to try. I'll stop for now with Easter Morning, which gets past the knottiest technical problems of four overlapping texts: Mark 16 drops out. (I'm assuming Dan will be liberal enough to let me ignore Mark 16:9-20, as 16:14 and 16:19 makes that impossible.]
[Order of preference and precedence: gJohn from John Mark or from John the Apostle, gLuke from Peter, gMark from John, but listed here as “Andrew” as alternate likelihood and less confusing, gMatthew from Tradition]

Mt 28:2 [per Tradition possibly from qTM] And suddenly there was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord, descending from heaven, came and rolled away the stone and sat on it. 3 His face was like lightning, his robe white as snow. 4 The guards were so shaken by fear of him that they were like dead men.
Jn 20:1 [per John Mark in Passion Narrative] And on the first day of the week, Mary the Magdalene comes to the tomb early, it being still dark, and she sees the stone having been taken away from the tomb. [Alternate placement here of John 20:2-10 during the time interval between “dark” and “when the Sun had risen”]

Mk 16:1 [per Andrew from qTM] When the Sabbath was over, Mary of Magdala, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome
Mt 28:1 went to visit the
Lk 24:1 [per Peter from qTL] tomb with the spices they had prepared
Mk 16:2c when the Sun was rising. 3 And they were saying to one another, “Who will roll the stone away from the door of the tomb for us?”
Lk 24:2 They found that the stone had been rolled away from the tomb
Mk 16:4 although it was very large.
Lk 24:3 but on entering they could not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
Mk 16:5b They saw a young man sitting on the right side clothed in a white robe, and they were stunned. 6 But he said to them, “There is no need to be so amazed. You are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified: he has risen,
He is not here.
Mt 28:6 as he said he would.
Mk 16:6c See, here is the place where where they laid him.
Lk 24:4 As they stood there puzzled about this, two men in brilliant clothes suddenly appeared at their side. 5 Terrified, the women bowed their hads to the ground. But the two said to them, “Why look among the dead for someone who is alive? He is not here; he has risen. 6 Remember what he told you when he was still in Galilee; 7 that the Son of man was destined to be handed over into the power of sinful men and be crucified, and rise again on the third day.”
Mk 16:7 But you must go and tell his disciples and Peter,
Mt 28:7 “He has risen from the dead and now
Mk 16:7c He is going ahead of you to Galilee; that is where you will see him, just as he told you.”
Mt 28:7d “Look! I have told you.”
[It is likely that the two men per gLuke include the one man of gMark and/or the angel of gMatthew, but different words are attributed, so the three entities shown here is also a feasible harmonization.]
Lk 24:8 And they remembered his words.

Mk 16:8 And the women came out and ran away from the tomb because they were frightened out of their wits; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

John 20:11 And Mary stood at the tomb weeping.Then when she was weeping, she sees two angels in white sitting, one at the head and one at the feet where the body of Jesus had lain. 13 And those say to her, “Woman, why do you weep.?”
She says to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they laid him.”14 Having said these things, she turned back, and she sees Jesus standing. And she did not know that it is Jesus. 15 Jesus says to her, “Woman, why do you weep? Whom do you seek?” Having supposed that he is the gardener, she says to him, ‘Lord, if you have removed him, tell me where you laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus says to her, ”Mary” . Having turned, she say to him. “Rabbouni” which says “Teacher”. 17 Jesus says to her, “Touch me not, for not yet have I ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and my God and your God.’”

[Assuming Mary rejoins the other women at this point]
Mt 28:9 And suddenly, coming to meet them, was Jesus. “Greetings” he said. And the women came up to him and clasping his feet, they did him homage. 10 Then Jesus said to then, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers that they must leave for Galilee; there they will see me.”
Mt 28:8 Filled with awe and great joy the women came quickly away from the tomb and ran to tell his disciples.
Jn 20:18 Mary the Magdalene comes announcing to the disciples that “I have seen the Lord” and that he said these things to her.

Lk 24:9 And they returned from the tomb and told all this to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 The women were Mary of Magdala, Joanna, and Mary the mother of James. And the other women with them also told the apostles, but this story of theirs seemed pure nonsense, and they did not believe them.
Jn 20:3 [20:2 skipped as probable editorial insertion, but it fits here (uncomfortably) if not]

Then Peter went forth and another disciple, [presumably John Mark, the “whom Jesus loved” in 20:2 being “phileo”, not the proper “agape” for the Beloved Disciple of John 13] and they were coming to the tomb. 4 And they were running together. And the other disciple ran faster then Peter and came first to the tomb. 5 And having stooped down, he sees lying there the linen cloths; nevertheless he did not go in. 6 Then comes also Simon Peter following him and he went into the tomb. And he sees the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the napkin which was on his head, not lying with the linen cloths but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 Then went in the other disciple…and he saw and believed. [20:9 from later Redactor] 10 Then the disciples went away again home.
[Lk 24:12 recaps the equivalent of Jn 20:3-10. This section is shown here last, but it could be moved to place Peter’s visit before Mary Magdalene brings a larger group of women at sunrise.]]

Sheshbazzar

Might be a good idea.
Was there also some other guy there dressed up in a furry pink bunny suit hiding colorfully decorated hen's eggs all around that tomb?
What's an 'Easter'? There is no day named 'Easter' in the Bible. Where the F did you get that bit from?

Adam

My response is now complete with this second part. It was hard, but easier than I expected--I must have missed some complication. Was I required to follow all texts in sequential verse order? I don't think that was in Barker's specifications. Nor is every detail here my best guess as to what happened or didn't happen, but to meet the challenge to fit in everything that could be fitted in. Was Mary Magdalene necessarily separated from the other women twice that morning, or does gJohn recount her telling of the story without the narrator's awareness that other women were with her? It reconciles better if Mary was indeed apart from them twice.

Mt 28:11 Now while they were on their way, some of the guards went off into the city to tell the chief priests all that had happened. These held a meeting with the elders and, after some discussion, handed a considerable sum of money to the soldiers with these instructions, “This is what you must say, “His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.” And should the governor come to hear of this, we undertake to put things right with him ourselves and to see that you do not get into trouble.” So they took the money and carried out their instructions, and to this day that is the story among the Jews.

Lk 24:13 That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem, 14 and talking with each other about all these things that had happened. 15 While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17 And he said to them, "What is this conversation which you are holding with each other as you walk?" And they stood still, looking sad. 18 Then one of them, named Cle'opas, answered him, "Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?" 19 And he said to them, "What things?" And they said to him, "Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how our chief priests and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him. 21 But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since this happened. 22 Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning 23 and did not find his body; and they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. 24 Some of those who were with us went to the tomb, and found it just as the women had said; but him they did not see." 25 And he said to them, "O foolish men, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?" 27 And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 So they drew near to the village to which they were going. He appeared to be going further, 29 but they constrained him, saying, "Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent." So he went in to stay with them. 30 When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them. 31 And their eyes were opened and they recognized him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 They said to each other, "Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the scriptures?"

I Cor 15:5 And that he appeared to Cephas. [Would have to fit here, but is the same time period that Jesus appeared to Cleopas, whose son Simon is probably referred to in Lk 20:34.]
Lk 20:33 And they rose that same hour and returned to Jerusalem; and they found the eleven gathered together and those who were with them, 34 saying, "The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!"

Jn 20:19 Then when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors had been closed on account of fear of the Jews,
Lk 20:35 Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread. 36 As they were saying this, Jesus himself stood among them.
I Cor 15:6 then to the twelve.
Jn 20:19 Jesus came and stood in their midst and says to them, “Peace to you.”
37 But they were startled and frightened, and supposed that they saw a spirit.
Jn 20:20 And having said this, he showed his hands and side to them.
Lk 20:38 And he said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do questionings rise in your hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 * [No text] 41 And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate before them. 44 Then he said to them, "These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, 46 and said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.
Jn 20:21 Then he said to them again, “Peace to you. Even as the Father has sent me, I also send you.” 22 And having said this, he breathed on them and says to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven to them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

24 And Thomas, one of the twelve, the one called “Twin”, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 Then the other disciples were saying to him, “We have seen the Lord.” And he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the place of the nails and put my fingers in the place of the nails and put my hands into his side, I will not believe.”

26 And after eight days his disciples were inside and Jesus comes when the doors had been closed and stood in their midst and said, “Peace to you.” 27 Next he says to Thomas, “Put your fingers here and see my hands and put into my side and be not unbelieving. 28 Answered Thomas and said to him, “My Lord and my God.” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you saw me, have you believed? Blessed are the ones not having seen and yet having believed.”

Mt 28:16 Meanwhile the eleven disciples set out for Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had arranged to meet them.
I Cor 15:6 Next he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still with us, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, and then to all the apostles.[From the Galilean perspective as seen in gMatthew and gMark, this was the primary appearance of Jesus to the apostles.]
Mt 28:17 When they saw him they fell down before him, though some hesitated. 18 Jesus came up and spoke to them. He said, “
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teach them to observe all the commands I have you. And look, I am with you always; yes, to the end of time.”

John 21:
1 After these things Jesus showed himself again to the disciples by the Sea of Tiberias; and he showed himself in this way. 2 Gathered there together were Simon Peter, Thomas called the Twin,* Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two others of his disciples. 3 Simon Peter said to them, ‘I am going fishing.’ They said to him, ‘We will go with you.’ They went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.
4 Just after daybreak, Jesus stood on the beach; but the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, ‘Children, you have no fish, have you?’ They answered him, ‘No.’ 6 He said to them, ‘Cast the net to the right side of the boat, and you will find some.’ So they cast it, and now they were not able to haul it in because there were so many fish. 7 That disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, ‘It is the Lord!’ When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on some clothes, for he was naked, and jumped into the lake. 8 But the other disciples came in the boat, dragging the net full of fish, for they were not far from the land, only about a hundred yards* off.

9 When they had gone ashore, they saw a charcoal fire there, with fish on it, and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, ‘Bring some of the fish that you have just caught.’ 11 So Simon Peter went aboard and hauled the net ashore, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three of them; and though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, ‘Come and have breakfast.’ Now none of the disciples dared to ask him, ‘Who are you?’ because they knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after he was raised from the dead. [This is the fourth time by the arrangement here, but John 21 could be moved to before Mt. 28:16 if desired, with the appearances to the 500 and James moved as well to follow Paul's sequence. Or we could subtract Easter evening as Thomas was not there. Or count it as the third time in gJohn.]

15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, ‘Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my lambs.’ 16 A second time he said to him, ‘Simon son of John, do you love me?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Tend my sheep.’ 17 He said to him the third time, ‘Simon son of John, do you love me?’ Peter felt hurt because he said to him the third time, ‘Do you love me?’ And he said to him, ‘Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my sheep.

18 In all truth I tell you, when you were young
You put on your own belt and walked where you liked; but when you grow old you will stretch out your hands and somebody else will put a belt round you and take you where you would rather not go.’
19 In these words he indicated the kind of death by which Peter would give glory to God. After this he said, “Follow me.” 20 Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them—the one who had leant back close to his chest at the supper and had said to him, “Lord, who is it that will betray you?” 21 Seeing him, Peter said to Jesus, “What about him, Lord?” 22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to stay behind till I come, what does it matter to you? You are to follow me.” 23 The rumor than went out among the brothers that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus had not said to Peter, “He will not die,” but, “If I want him to stay behind till I come.” 24 This disciple is the one who vouches for these things and has written them down, and we know that his testimony is true.

Acts 1:3 He had shown himself alive to them by many demonstrations: for forty
days he had continued to appear to them and tell them about the kingdom of God. 4 While at table with them, he had told them not to leave to leave Jerusalem, but to wait there for what the Father had promised. 5 John baptized with water but, not many days from now, you are going to be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Lk 24:49 “And now I am sending upon you what the Father has promised. Stay in the city, then, until you are clothed with the power from on high.
Acts 1:6 Now having met together,
Lk 24:50 Then he took them out as far as the outskirts of Bethany, and raising his hands he blessed them.
Acts 1:6
They asked him, “Lord, has the time come for you to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He replied, “It is not for you to know times or dates that the Father has decided by his own authority, but you will receive the power of the Holy Spirit which will come on you, and then you will be my witnesses not only in Jerusalem but throughout Judaea and Samaria, and indeed to earth’s remotest end.”
Lk 24:51 Now as he blessed them, he withdrew from them and was carried up to heaven.

Acts 1:9 As he said this he was lifted up while they looked on, and a cloud took him from their sight. 10 They were still staring into the sky as he went when suddenly two men in white were standing beside them and they said, 11 “Why are you Galileans standing here looking into the sky? This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will come back in the same way as you have seen him go to heaven.”
Lk 24:52 They worshipped him and then went back to Jerusalem full of joy; and they were continually in the Temple praising God.
Acts 1:12 So from the Mount of Olives, as it is called, they went back to Jerusalem, a short distance away, no more than a Sabbath walk. [Assuming they had already come back some of the way from Bethany and were at the Mount of Olives along the way.]
John 20:30 Then many other signs Jesus did in the presence of the disciples, which are not having been written in this book. 31 But these things are written in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and in order that believing you may have life in his name.
John 21:25 There was much else that Jesus did; if it were written down in detail, I do not suppose the world itself would hold the book that would be written. [21:25 is a disputed text, and all of John 21:18-24 may be late redaction.]

Sheshbazzar

The challenge Adam is to fit everything in, while omitting nothing.

Just like in your other threads, one can invent a reasonably cohesive story by the ruse of 'picking and choosing' and leaving out whatever is inconvenient or contradictory.
But doing so is simply producing a 'plucked chicken' avoiding dealing with the total content these texts as they actually exist.

To meet the challenge you will need to be capable of incorporating and reconciling EVERY VERSE and word of (the Passion Story) all four Gospels into one cohesive and non-contradictory whole.

Tenorikuma

Even after picking and choosing, his Easter narrative still contains obvious contradictions.

Sheshbazzar

Using Adam's eliminate the unwanted and the extraneous, 'pluck the chicken' method we can also cook up a Passion Story containing no contradictions;
Saves a lot of space, contradictions, and argument.

Adam

I see I failed to provide again the link to the Easter Challenge that Toto provided at #35 of Passion Narrative by Kirby proves HJ:
Dan Barker's Easter Challenge
I don't present a text without difficulties, like whether there were one, two, or three angels or men in the tomb and where and when. Barker only asks for a plausible account with all the details included. No one has yet shown where I don't meet Barker's demands.

outhouse

To bad you cannot provide any evidence at all he wasnt thrown in a pit for dogs to eat

Over the guesses your throwing our way.

Adam

Is your faith in Crossan's inerrancy?
Or just his infallibility?

Sheshbazzar

Bolding is supplied to assist the myopic.

If you did NOT include 'ALL the details'. You have not met 'Dan Barker's demands'.

If you think that you have, You need to come up up with your best shot and present it to -DAN BARKER- rather than to others.

Let -DAN BARKER himself- declare whether you have met his challenge sucessfully or not.