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sugarhitman · 12-26-2007, 11:18 AM

to Nero Boot " Man has become as one of Us knowing both good and evil"--God. If God and man knows both good and evil does that not prove freewill? God does no evil not because he cant...He does not do it because he chooses not to. He has no desire for it...It is not his nature...He hates it..and He is Holy..these are why God does not do evil my friend. But man likes it...has a desire for it...and his proven himself to be unholy by CHOOSING to do evil. Men has become as one of us knowing good and evil....to bad he has chosen evil.

sugarhitman · 12-26-2007, 11:20 AM

To Nero go back and read my previous thread on Why God has done to Israel what he has done...and stop making foolish comments

Nero's Boot · 12-26-2007, 11:20 AM

Actually, Sugarhitman:

Can Jews make it to Heaven? Or is it only Christians who get saved from Hellfire.

If the former, what prevents a moral atheist, Hindu. Native American shamanist or Muslim from getting there?

If the latter, then all the prophecies in the Old Testament now mean jack and shit, as the Jews've been abandoned, in favor of Christianity. In that case, this is all one giant fucking moot point!

--I'd like your thoughts on these questions NB

Nero's Boot · 12-26-2007, 11:21 AM

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to Nero Boot " Man has become as one of Us knowing both good and evil"--God. If God and man knows both good and evil does that not prove freewill? God does no evil not because he cant...He does not do it because he chooses not to. He has no desire for it...It is not his nature...He hates it..and He is Holy..these are why God does not do evil my friend. But man likes it...has a desire for it...and his proven himself to be unholy by CHOOSING to do evil. Men has become as one of us knowing good and evil....to bad he has chosen evil.

OK, let me change my question, then:

Why doesn't God create beings with his level of moral fortitude? If he can eternally choose to do no evil, couldn't he have been considerate enough to do so for his "children"?

--or is it that the whole Hellfire scenario was too delicious for him to ignore? NB

Nero's Boot · 12-26-2007, 11:22 AM

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To Nero go back and read my previous thread on Why God has done to Israel what he has done...and stop making foolish comments

They're honest questions, Sugarhitman. Most people would recognize them as valid. Since BibleGod isn't around to explain himself, all we have is his texts. And from a literal reading, as many fundamentalists seem to insist on, it appears BibleGod is a giant cock.

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NB

Chris Johnston · 12-26-2007, 11:30 AM

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To Nero go back and read my previous thread on Why God has done to Israel what he has done...and stop making foolish comments

They're honest questions, Sugarhitman. Most people would recognize them as valid. Since BibleGod isn't around to explain himself, all we have is his texts. And from a literal reading, as many fundamentalists seem to insist on, it appears BibleGod is a giant cock.

--

NB

Circumcised or uncircumcised? And what about BibleGod's book makes it more authoritative than any other god's book?

Johnny Skeptic · 12-26-2007, 11:40 AM

Message to sugarhitman: Please reply to my post #36.

makerowner · 12-26-2007, 11:55 AM

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In other words you all do not have any Historical documentation or evidence that Nebu sieged Island Tyre.

Wrong thread.

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And the fact that the geneologies are completely different (which proves that it is not a mistake or contradiction) shows it for what it is....two geneologies.

...of the same person. Are you trying to argue that where it says "begat Joseph", it actually means "begat Mary"?

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sometimes the innocent get caught up in it both the good and bad will die in this world ...but it is not the innocent you should be worried about...you should worry about those after God has finished killing the body...destroys their soul in hell....for this is not the end of the innocent but the guilty.

So killing innocent people is OK, because they're going to heaven anyway? So if I kill you, I shouldn't be punished for it, right?

Sheshonq · 12-26-2007, 12:08 PM

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to converse The Jews fought for that land noone gave them nothing

You are as ignorant of 20th century history as you are of ancient history.

The Jews were given the land by Great Britain - both before the Mandate period, and during it. And what the Jews weren't given, they took by kicking Arabs off their land.

You really need to get your information from something besides a 4 page bible tract.

JEST2ASK · 12-26-2007, 01:31 PM

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to jedi Jesus started Christianity...not the Romans.

There are some who argue that Christainity was started by Saul / Paul and hijacked by the Emperor Constantine , that whatever intial Jewish following Jesus had left little influence on such things as forming doctrine, heiarchy and selecting scripture.

Hi just me again I am posting this here even though it is a bit off topic if you (sugar-hitman) choose not to respond I am likely going to start a new thread around several issues / questions.

1 - The new testament contains 27 books, how many are attributed either directly or indirectly to Paul.

2 - How many churches / communities mentioned in the new testament were started or heavily infuenced by Paul (per archelogy regarding his missionary journeys or epstiles)

3 - Of the Seven Churches of Asia Minor mentioned in Revelation how many are covered in #2

4 - How many books of the N.T. are credited to Peter?

5 - How many churches of the N.T.

Justt wanted to give you a chance for input before opening it to others.

Oh and my error (sp) hierarchy :blush:

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12-26-2007, 11:18 AM	#41
sugarhitman Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: georgia Posts: 2,726	to Nero Boot " Man has become as one of Us knowing both good and evil"--God. If God and man knows both good and evil does that not prove freewill? God does no evil not because he cant...He does not do it because he chooses not to. He has no desire for it...It is not his nature...He hates it..and He is Holy..these are why God does not do evil my friend. But man likes it...has a desire for it...and his proven himself to be unholy by CHOOSING to do evil. Men has become as one of us knowing good and evil....to bad he has chosen evil.

12-26-2007, 11:20 AM	#42
sugarhitman Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: georgia Posts: 2,726	To Nero go back and read my previous thread on Why God has done to Israel what he has done...and stop making foolish comments

12-26-2007, 11:20 AM	#43
Nero's Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,234	Actually, Sugarhitman: Can Jews make it to Heaven? Or is it only Christians who get saved from Hellfire. If the former, what prevents a moral atheist, Hindu. Native American shamanist or Muslim from getting there? If the latter, then all the prophecies in the Old Testament now mean jack and shit, as the Jews've been abandoned, in favor of Christianity. In that case, this is all one giant fucking moot point! --I'd like your thoughts on these questions NB

12-26-2007, 11:40 AM	#47
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to sugarhitman: Please reply to my post #36.

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