Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Why must you be so evasive? I said:

You have still not answered my question. Why is that? By "would more Jews would have accepted Jesus?," I mean "would even one more Jew have accepted Jesus?" In addition, if a God exists, would he have any trouble convincing people to believe that he exists? Further, if a God inspired the Bible, if he had treated people right, and had provided a lot more evidence than he has, the Christian church would be much larger than it is today. If you would like to debate that issue, I will start a new thread at the GRD Forum.

Johnny Skeptic

That will not do. If Jesus is the Son of God, he could easily have made many indisputable prophecies regarding when are where some natural disasters would occur, month, day, and year.

You are living in a fantasy world. You want people to accept a God who only wants people to hear the Gospel message if another person tells them about it, and only wants people to have enough food to eat if they are able to obtain it through human effort, which is exactly what the case would be if he did not exist.

arnoldo

Would you believe in the God of the Bible if the Bible mentioned Alexander the Great? No, you would simply state it was written after the fact. Sorry your arguments are just fallacies of many questions, begging the question, circular reasoning,etc.

Fallacy of many questions

WVIncagold

When did Jesus ever rule antything but twelve vagabonds and a whore?

Yeshua was king of nothing. he commanded no armies. he held no ground. he did not have a treasury. By your reason i am king of all west virginina because i procalaim it. Failed



Again i say i am king of West Virginia and have been for all eterninty. prove i am not.

Rome destroyd carthage too so whats the point?

first sentence is gibberish. I am king of all WV and My name is WVIncagold. same crap says nothing. And they will live securley? Reach ends of the earth? who Xians or Jews? Also does this include antartica?



Really i thought Jesus was going to bring them the sword;
Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

Wow that sums it up? wow i thought there was allot more that happened. way to over minimilize something! yeah now how about answering JS question about Micah?

Amaleq13

FYI: This is propaganda which was, IIUC, created by members of the early Church. It has no actual basis in the texts.

Johnny Skeptic

If Pat Robertson accurately predicted when and where some natural disasters would occur, month, day, and year, surely some people would become Christians who were not previously convinced. I would not become a Christian unless the supposed God of the Bible answered some questions to my satisfaction, but surely some people would if If Pat Robertson accurately predicted when and where some natural disasters would occur, month, day, and year.

If another supposed God showed up, what would Christians do? If he proved that he had great powers, Christians would have tangible, firsthand evidence. Is tangible, firsthand evidence the very best kind if evidence? Consider the following Scriptures:

John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

In those cases, obviously, Jesus’ words alone were not enough to convince some people to accept him.

In the NIV, Acts 14:3 says “So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders.” That Scripture shows that even though Jesus had performed many miracles, and had appeared to hundreds of people after he rose from the dead, and even though Jesus had criticized Thomas for wanting tangible, firsthand evidence that he had risen from the dead, and even though the Holy Spirit had come to the church, God was willing to provide Christians with even more tangible, firsthand evidence. That is suspicious.

That is gibberish. The God of the Bible does not exist. No loving God would only want people to hear the Gospel message if another person told them about, and would only want people to have enough food to eat if they were able to obtain it through human effort.

You still have not answered the question that I asked in my opening post. Why is that? I said:

If you not wish to embarrass yourself by answering the question, just say so and I will not ask you to answer it anymore.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Are you aware that a truly benevolent God would be able to attract a lot more followers than the God of the Bible has?

arnoldo

The Abrahamic Religions ( Judaism, Christianity, Islam) has a significant amount of followers. However numbers isn't really the issue, right?

Johnny Skeptic

Numbers is in fact the issue since the better that a God treated people, the more followers he would attract. A man who gave away $20 bills would be more popular than a man who gave away $10 bills. A God who healed sick people would be more popular than a God who made people sick. Exodus 4:11 says that God makes people blind, deaf, and dumb. A God who cured those problems instead of causing them would be more popular than a God who caused them.

Sheshonq

You dodged the question. Do you lack the intelligence or honesty to address it head-on?