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Old 07-13-2012, 12:55 AM   #1
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Default Acts of the Apostles Destroys an Historical Jesus

Acts of the Apostles is considered to have been written AFTER the Gospels in the Canon so it is EXTREMELY important that we take the statements from Acts extremely seriously.

1, Acts of the Apostles is Canonised and regarded as authentic.

2. Acts of the Apostles supposedly Documented the Activities of the Disciples and Saul/Paul.

3. Acts of the Apostles supposedly documented the START of the Jesus cult of Christians.

4. The author of Acts claimed he traveled with Paul around the Roman Empire.

5. The author of Acts supposedly KNEW actual disciples of Jesus.


Now, this is MOST remarkable.

The author Acts DOCUMENTED the supposed very first day that the disciples preached Christ AFTER Jesus ascended--See Acts 1.9.

An human Jesus was NOT present when the Jesus cult began

But, it does NOT matter what Jesus did on earth, if he did live!!!

It did NOT matter if Jesus raised THOUSANDS from the dead---Peter STILL DENIED him.

The Resurrected Jesus told the disciples that they MUST WAIT for the Holy Ghost to get the POWER to preach the Jesus story.

Even the resurrected Jesus played NO direct role in the development of the Jesus cult it was the Holy Ghost that DIRECRLY IMPACTED the disciples and Gave them the power.

The authors of Acts NULLIFIED the ACTS of Jesus.

Without the Power of the Holy Ghost there would be NO Jesus cult of Christians.

The disciples MUST, MUST, MUST wait for the Holy Ghost BEFORE Christianity can begin.

Acts 1
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4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence...
The author of Acts MADE an Historical Jesus OBSOLETE for the start of the Christian movement.

ALL the SUPPOSED Acts of Jesus were WORTHLESS because it was the Holy Ghost that had the POWER to start the Jesus cult.

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1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come , they were all with one accord in one place..............4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance...........and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls
An historical Jesus had NOTHING at all to do with the Jesus cult of Christians in antiquity.
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But, it does NOT matter what Jesus did on earth, if he did live!!!

It did NOT matter if Jesus raised THOUSANDS from the dead---Peter STILL DENIED him.
Peter's denial is usually interpreted as a sign of human weakness that he subsequently regreted (hence the weeping). However, it is odd that Peter would be so susceptible to pressure given he is described as a witness to many miracles and heard that the coming of the kingdom was imminent. It's like the author was trying to tell us that Peter, an eyewitness to miracles and one of Jesus' closest friends, had doubts that could be exploited.

Also, why would Thomas doubt claims of the resurrection had he also witnessed the raising of the dead?

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The Resurrected Jesus told the disciples that they MUST WAIT for the Holy Ghost to get the POWER to preach the Jesus story.

Even the resurrected Jesus played NO direct role in the development of the Jesus cult it was the Holy Ghost that DIRECRLY IMPACTED the disciples and Gave them the power.
The Holy Ghost seems like the redundant member of the trinity; devised to impregnate Mary when it would have been absurd for God or Jesus to do it and would raise Gabriel to fully divine status should he be given the task.

Yes, odd that Jesus would ascend before launching the church, instead giving the task to the retruning Holy Ghost - an intangible/invisible force with effects noted to correspond to drunkeness.
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But, it does NOT matter what Jesus did on earth, if he did live!!!

It did NOT matter if Jesus raised THOUSANDS from the dead---Peter STILL DENIED him.
Peter's denial is usually interpreted as a sign of human weakness that he subsequently regreted (hence the weeping). However, it is odd that Peter would be so susceptible to pressure given he is described as a witness to many miracles and heard that the coming of the kingdom was imminent. It's like the author was trying to tell us that Peter, an eyewitness to miracles and one of Jesus' closest friends, had doubts that could be exploited.

Also, why would Thomas doubt claims of the resurrection had he also witnessed the raising of the dead?

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The Resurrected Jesus told the disciples that they MUST WAIT for the Holy Ghost to get the POWER to preach the Jesus story.

Even the resurrected Jesus played NO direct role in the development of the Jesus cult it was the Holy Ghost that DIRECRLY IMPACTED the disciples and Gave them the power.
The Holy Ghost seems like the redundant member of the trinity; devised to impregnate Mary when it would have been absurd for God or Jesus to do it and would raise Gabriel to fully divine status should he be given the task.

Yes, odd that Jesus would ascend before launching the church, instead giving the task to the retruning Holy Ghost - an intangible/invisible force with effects noted to correspond to drunkeness.
Athanasius describes the impregnation of Mary without ever mentioning the Holy Spirit .The contemporary function of the Holy Spirit is to impregnate the RCC with divine knowledge: the spirit guides the church.

Saint Athanasius in: on the Incarnation, written over 1600 years ago wrote this:

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(8) For this purpose (to be an ambassador for all with the Father.), then, the incorporeal and incorruptible and immaterial Word of God entered our world.... He took to Himself a body, a human body even as our own. He took it directly from a spotless, stainless virgin, without the agency of human father—a pure body, untainted by intercourse with man.

He, the Mighty One, the Artificer of all, Himself prepared this body in the virgin as a temple for Himself, and took it for His very own, as the instrument through which He was known and in which He dwelt.
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It reads like an ancient description of artificial insemination in some theological laboratory. Athanasius never mentions Mary by name, never uses the word mother, and never mentions the spirit....
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Sounds as if Athanasius never read his own Gospels of Matthew and Luke. Or else the Gospels weren't written up yet......or perhaps the passage wasn't written by Athanasius.
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Sounds as if Athanasius never read his own Gospels of Matthew and Luke. Or else the Gospels weren't written up yet......or perhaps the passage wasn't written by Athanasius.

Athanasius tries to refute the objections expressed by unbelievers in a frank robust style; he aknowldges that Christian beliefs are ridiculed by its opponents, but asks why it should be so when the christian beliefs are no very different from those held by gentiles.

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(33) We have dealt thus far with the Incarnation of our Savior, and have found clear proof of the resurrection of His Body and His victory over death. Let us now go further and investigate the unbelief and the ridicule with which Jews and Gentiles respectively regard these same facts.

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Refutation of the Gentiles
(41) We come now to the unbelief of the Gentiles; and this is indeed a matter for complete astonishment, for they laugh at that which is no fit subject for mockery
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Acts of the Apostles is a most remarkable book. It shows that the Jesus character had ZERO influence on the Commission to preach the Gosdpel and ZERO influence on the Propagation of the Gospel.

In Acts, NO human Jesus was involved in the Start of the Jesus cult of Christians.

In gMark, after Jesus supposedly did ALL the Miracles, raised the dead, Instantly healed incurable diseases, walked on water and transfigured when he was arrrested his disciples FLED and Peter DENIED he knew Jesus.

In Acts 1.11, the disciples were Literally "Gazing in the Sky"--dumb founded-- when THEIR supposed Jesus left them and Promised to send a GHOST to give them POWER to preach the Jesus story.

From the supposed time the disciples met Jesus, and from the crucifixion to the Day of Pentecost the suposed disciples did NOT preach the Jesus story. They had NO authorisation or Power to preach the Gospel.

The Jesus cult was AUTHORISED by a resurrected Jesus and POWERED by the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost.

Acts of the Apostles DESTROYS any argument of an Historical Jesus.

Listen to the words of the Resurrected Jesus, the Son of a Ghost.

Acts 1:11 KJV
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Which also said , Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The HJ argument cannot be maintained.
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The author of Acts puts the HJ argument in a "rubbish bin" to be dumped.

In Acts 1, the author of Acts claimed the resurrected Jesus told the disciples to WAIT for a GHOST to get POWER to preach the Gospel.

The GHOST would fiil them up with POWER and make them become experts in Linguistics and RAISED the dead.

This is EXTREMELY important.

The MAGICAL Powers of the supposed disciples would come from the GHOST not from an Historical Jesus.

It was a GHOST that made them DO IT.

In Acts 2, the GHOST came and POWERED up the disciples with Linguistics and Magic and 3000 people were converted.

An Historical Jesus was NOT needed just a GHOST.

But, FAST FORWARD.

Examine Acts 9.

Did SAUL/PAUL need an Historical Jesus to preach his Gospel.

Saul/Paul ONLY needed a VOICE in his head.

In Acts 9, Saul/Paul was BLINDED like a BAT when he Heard a VOICE.

Acts of the Apostles completely DESTROYS any argument for an HJ.

It was a VOICE and a GHOST that Initiated the Jesus cult in Acts.
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Acts of the Apostles is considered to have been written AFTER the Gospels in the Canon so it is EXTREMELY important that we take the statements from Acts extremely seriously.

1, Acts of the Apostles is Canonised and regarded as authentic.

2. Acts of the Apostles supposedly Documented the Activities of the Disciples and Saul/Paul.

3. Acts of the Apostles supposedly documented the START of the Jesus cult of Christians.

4. The author of Acts claimed he traveled with Paul around the Roman Empire.

5. The author of Acts supposedly KNEW actual disciples of Jesus.


Now, this is MOST remarkable.

The author Acts DOCUMENTED the supposed very first day that the disciples preached Christ AFTER Jesus ascended--See Acts 1.9.

An human Jesus was NOT present when the Jesus cult began

But, it does NOT matter what Jesus did on earth, if he did live!!!

It did NOT matter if Jesus raised THOUSANDS from the dead---Peter STILL DENIED him.

The Resurrected Jesus told the disciples that they MUST WAIT for the Holy Ghost to get the POWER to preach the Jesus story.

Even the resurrected Jesus played NO direct role in the development of the Jesus cult it was the Holy Ghost that DIRECRLY IMPACTED the disciples and Gave them the power.

The authors of Acts NULLIFIED the ACTS of Jesus.

Without the Power of the Holy Ghost there would be NO Jesus cult of Christians.

The disciples MUST, MUST, MUST wait for the Holy Ghost BEFORE Christianity can begin.

Acts 1
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4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence...
The author of Acts MADE an Historical Jesus OBSOLETE for the start of the Christian movement.

ALL the SUPPOSED Acts of Jesus were WORTHLESS because it was the Holy Ghost that had the POWER to start the Jesus cult.

Acts 2
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1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come , they were all with one accord in one place..............4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance...........and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls
An historical Jesus had NOTHING at all to do with the Jesus cult of Christians in antiquity.
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An human Jesus was NOT present when the Jesus cult began
I am not a scholar on the Bible, but I thought he was alive when he went around with his disciples.
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Saint Athanasius in: on the Incarnation, written over 1600 years ago wrote this:

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(8) For this purpose (to be an ambassador for all with the Father.), then, the incorporeal and incorruptible and immaterial Word of God entered our world.... He took to Himself a body, a human body even as our own. He took it directly from a spotless, stainless virgin, without the agency of human father—a pure body, untainted by intercourse with man.

He, the Mighty One, the Artificer of all, Himself prepared this body in the virgin as a temple for Himself, and took it for His very own, as the instrument through which He was known and in which He dwelt.
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It reads like an ancient description of artificial insemination in some theological laboratory. Athanasius never mentions Mary by name, never uses the word mother, and never mentions the spirit....

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Acts of the Apostles is considered to have been written AFTER the Gospels in the Canon so it is EXTREMELY important that we take the statements from Acts extremely seriously.

1, Acts of the Apostles is Canonised and regarded as authentic.


The canonization of Acts is late 4th century according to the Blessed Letter of Saint Athanasius himself.


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Sounds as if Athanasius never read his own Gospels of Matthew and Luke. Or else the Gospels weren't written up yet......

Athanasius was supposed to be responsible for the production and manufacture of Christian Bible codices under Constantius II (just as Eusebous had acted for Constantine). I dont know if his extant writings betray no knowledge of the gospels, but he was certainly aware, and had read the Letters of John, since he pronounced that Arius was the Antichrist.
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... I am not a scholar on the Bible, but I thought he was alive when he went around with his disciples.
Well, when was a human Jesus alive??

God was alive when he made ADAM???

Jesus was ALIVE when he was WALKING on the sea??

Jesus was ALIVE when he transfigured with the Resurrected Moses and Elijah???

The Angel Gabriel was ALIVE when it went to the city of Nazareth to talk to Mary???

Satan and Jesus were ALIVE when they were on the Pinnacle of the Temple during the Temptation???

Please, BILLIONS of PEOPLE THINK everybody in the Bible were ALIVE.

People Even BELIEVE Jesus the Son of a Ghost, WAS ALIVE that WALKED on water, and Transfigured.

No author of the Canon claimed Jesus was Human.

The authors of the Canon stated Jesus was a Son of a God born of a Ghost and a Virgin.

People of antiquity BELIEVED the Myth Gods were ALIVE during the time of Pilate.

The Myth Gods Jupiter, Juno, Neptune, PLUTO, Mecury, Apollo, Venus and others WERE ALIVE during the reign of Tiberius???

The Jesus stories are 2nd century Myth Fables COMPETING with the Myth Fables of the Greek and Romans.

The Jesus Myth Fables eventually WON the Competition.

The Greeks and Romans ACCEPTED the Jesus MYTH FABLE as history.
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