fromdownunder

OK, I'll make you happy. The link would not work on my PC, so please explain. But if you are going to use the separate lineage Joseph/Mary argument, or Leverite marriage, don't even bother.

An explanation based on what the Bible actually says in context, in the verses which cite the genaeologies would work for me.

Norm

seraphimkawaii

Ok...it's 11:30 at night, and i just got back from a trip, so its taken me a bit longer to get all the things I want to comment on in order. There were just so many things that one allegiance said...I couldn't pick just one! Ok..let me see if I can get this coding done before midnight...sleep sounds good right now...
Wow...Guess we're all just crackheads that work in a gas station somewhere.

...acting like a child? i won't even go there. and just cause jesus requested a tomb...you think theyre going to look at their criminal and say "why sure, you want that lined with cotton or silk?" the whole point of crucifiction was complete embarrassment. that's why they don't get tombs and such. and as to them not finding him if he were left up there...I don't think many historians would be able to find substantial vulture and wolf dung to find his DNA in, as animals would eat his carcass, as they did others who were crucified.

ok...then do this for me. i got this from a book called "the book your church doesn't want you to read". it was one of the first books i read when i started deconverting.
the challenge is to put together a complete, linear, sensical version of the easter story using all of the parts mentioned in the four gospels. if it mentions something to do with jesus death/resurrection/prior events, it better be in there. start a new thread with your version of that, if you don't mind.

well, as we seem to be so uneducated and wrong, you might wanna help us.

you know, you'd think that most christians would be able to tell you a LOT about the life of their lord and savior themselves, without referring to a website or others who study. if i accepted christ, i would study about his life...might wanna know more about the most important person in all the known universe, you know? might interest me a bit.

yet...you answered someone wanting proof of a WORLDWIDE flood here...
so...the flood went from worldwide to not worldwide in such a short time? where then did it happen, exactly? and what is your argument? could you please decide?

oh dear. we're not allowed to use your own book in a debate with you? i thought you'd appreciate having some home-field advantage...maybe a little bit of familiarity. and we never said it had no relevance, i don't think. i mean, it HAS influenced a LOT of history, and much of western society as we know it. we just refuted what you said. if you want, i guess we can go back to using more secular things to debate with you though.

ok, i think i finished. i hope i got the tags right...if not, ill fix them.

Patriarch Verlch

What a shame, the Messiah was in our midst, and you use his enemies arguments to this day to challenge him in much the same way.

If I were you I would watch the world events very closely, the One World Government is coming, a world without borders, If it resembles the world spoken of in Revelation, will you believe then?



"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666" (Rev. 13:16-18).

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/markbeas.htm
http://www.av1611.org/666.html

Patriarch Verlch

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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
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I think you guys and the Beatles went to the same Public School system and learned about the same state sponsored doctrines.


Didn't the Beatles say they were "more popular than Jesus?" As well as didn't they say they have "come to destroy Christianity?"

Couldn't have figured by their own words.

one allegiance

I guess so. You can ask any educated scholar, atheist or not, about this one. They wont deny Jesus's existence, but they could deny the Christian Jesus. Nevertheless Jesus was a real person. What about the whole B.C, A.D thing...ya know the dating methods.


Actually it was Pilate who granted this request.

Um. Ok, that's good to know that your faith can be swayed by reading a single book.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1764

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/ref...ah/jesusx.html

I don't know if you all are aware of the whole Council of Nicea thing and Constatine. But they were both very real. The council decided the deity of Jesus. Unless of course you want to say Constantine wasn't a real person. You guys need to look at ALL of history.

I do. Will you stop ranting about how I don't. Where does that get you:huh:
No no. It is still a world wide flood. Apparently one of my sources was misleading, but regardless there is no evidence that suggests that a world wide flood couldn't have happened.

Not when it is taken out of context so badly...it loses relevance.

Patriarch Verlch

Never enslaved in Egypt? Wow you guys are trying to rewrite History aren't you?

Just like you weren't there the day the atoms decided to become a living cell, you were not there when Jesus or any of his disciples walked the earth. You only have free will to decide if you want to believe in God or not.

How life arose is unknown, how could that be from a bunch of know it alls? Who would question everything biblical. For as much smug hand waving over the authority of the scripture, you don't know how life came into being? Yet you will trumpet the theory of evolution all over the world, as if it's prove able, when you haven't even observed how all this life can start.

Yet you tell me I don't know anything.

Godidit is looking better all the time.

No wonder there is men that ride the fence, they believe in evolution yet have to believe in God at the same time, thus they weaken their own Maker to fit into what they think He should be.

Until you can arise life out of primordial soup, your theory is nothing more than a theory. An elaborate one, drawn up in the highest places on earth.

JustinFoldsFive

Um, actually there IS evidence that suggests that a worldwide flood could not have happened. Read through the following website;

http://evolution.mbdojo.com/flood.html

Just to pick a few of my favorite pieces of evidence disproving a worldwide flood;

Oh, and to end on a humorous quote I found at the website I linked to...

Biff the unclean

No one was there, it’s a work of fiction. A work of fiction with such piss poor editing that it places Jesus dancing at a party and looking at all the kingdoms of a flat world at the same time.

This order nonsense is only you grasping at straws. We are talking about mutually exclusive stories.

Don’t you dare talk about rudeness when you are in the middle of trying to bullshit people
No evidence, EXCEPT for the book of Matthew
Sure it’s evidence. It’s evidence that you don’t know what it says and that you are making it up as you go along

You continually insult the intelligence of the Atheists on this board, myself included. You are being treated very well, all things considered.

Except that you aren’t quoting what it says. You are making shit up about what is in the bible and what isn’t.

one allegiance

I can see where this is heading from the first sentence. "We would expect to observe a uniform, worldwide blanket of randomly sorted boulders, cobbles, sand, and silt overlain by a layer of clay. " The bold word there is the key word. Uniformity. You rely on uniformity to tell you that it can't happen. You are begging the question. You have nothing to base natural law off of. In other words, you don't know that the future will be anything like the past by just observing the past. ASSUMING absolute uniformity is against this occurence. You can't KNOW that there could be uniformity b/c you would be able to see the future. It legislates the meaning instead of looking for it. You can make assumtions all you want from uniformity, but you are negating the scientific method in the very act.

All in all this site was obviously presuppositioned and makes a bunch of fallacious claims.

fromdownunder

You might want to learn something about using other people's copyright lyrics before posting the complete lyrics of a song. It's illegal. Still, I suppose theists don't care much about other people's rights.


Yes, and actually at the time, they probably were. Except that they were not being serious and actually comparing themselves to Jesus.


No.

You mean John Lennon's words. "Imagine" was written years after the Beatles broke up.

This is a a new one. Proof of God by John Lennon lyrics. You really don't have a clue, do you?

Norm