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Old 06-18-2006, 04:23 PM   #1
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Default Ritual Myth and Drama in the Near east

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Gaster, Theodore, Thespis: Ritual, Myth, and Drama in the Ancient Near East. Forward Gilbert Murray. New and Revised. Garden City: Anchor, 1961.

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In an Excursus to the late Jane Harrison’s Themis … I pointed out the recurrence in several Greek tragedies of a regular Dionysiac ritual, closely similar, , as Herodotus says (ii, 42), to that of the Egyptian Osiris. It comprises a Conflict between the god and his enemy; a Death of [sic] Disaster, which often takes the form of a Sparagmos or Tearing-in-Pieces; a Narrative by a Messenger; a Lamentation, and finally an Anagnorisis or Discovery, and a Theophany bringing comfort. This closely resembles the ritual of Osiris as a wheat god; his fight with his enemy Set; the sparagmos of the wheat sheaf; the lamentation; the discovery of the new shoots of wheat growing, and the birth of a new god. Moreover, similar rites obtained elsewhere in connection with Linos (the flax), Attis (the pine), Dionysus (the vine or fruit tree), Tammuz and other vegetation gods.
But this was by no means the only form of the rebirth ritual. Most often , perhaps it was not the same god who was reborn, but a Son of the god, who took his throne and his place. There is, for example, the sequence in Hesiod of Ouranos, Kronos, and Zeus to be followed in turn by the unknown Son of Zeus, greater than his father.
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There is likewise Dionysus, the “New Zeus”…

Yet another form of the pattern may be recognized in the plot of several ancient Greek tragedies: a god loves a mortal woman; their offspring, a so or a pair of twins, is discovered and cast out to die, while the mother is imprisoned and otherwise punished—a true mater dolorosa—until eventually the son is rediscovered, found to be of divine birth, and established as king. The symbolism is clear: the sun- or sky-god descends to fructify the frozen earth in rain and lightning; there is a long period of waiting; then the Young God is discovered in the first bloom of spring. This form was reproduced in almost sardonic fashion in the Ion of Euripides, but it lived on, reduced from divine to human terms, in the New Comedy.

“of course I am anxious,” said she, “for if Christ does not rise tomorrow, we shall have no corn this year” (Modern Greek Folklore and Ancient Greek Religion …).

…Hellenic drama has been shown by the late Francis Cornford in his work, The Origins of Attic Comedy … Moreover, Cornford has pointed out that the same method may be applied even to the poems of Hesiod and that, if these be regarded as relics of ritual drama, many of the incongruities which now appear in them at once become intelligible.

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… The Elder Edda and Ancient Scandinavian Drama … Bertha S. Pillpotts as demonstrated how much of earliest and greatest Norse poetry, which has own to us in the form of narrative or song, must in its original form have been ritual drama dealing with the seasonal death and rebirth of the fruitful world.....
These three themes, ritual, myth and drama are very clearly central to xianity - the eucharist, the messiah, the dramatic elements of the gospels. These have been accepted by academia in reference to all other religions - including judaism for getting on for a hundred and fifty years!

We might get somewhere with Jesus myth if we stop looking at in isolation from the rituals of xianity - Baptism, Eucharist etc, and the clear dramatic themes all over the place, like in the Passion.
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Just FYI, secret writing was not Jewish. It was Greek, and only borrowed by the Jews from their Greek conquerors by the time of the writing of the forged book of Daniel (c. 2nd BC). The concept of hiding true doctrines behind ostensibly historical "tales" began with the mystery religions (especially under the influence of Platonic philosophy around the 4th BC, if not earlier, since Plato's explicit defense of the practice clearly indicates it was already a practice before he came along), and thus was well-known and more or less respected by most Romans, who were certainly well-acquainted with the mystery religions and their practices (e.g. Varro discusses the practice and endorses it as a way to control the masses). Romans would not have seen this style of writing as peculiarly "Jewish" at all. What was peculiarly Jewish was the way already-existing texts were "re-interpreted" as portending current and cosmic events. Though something vaguely similar was done by using Homer in a manner similar to the way the Chinese employed the I Ching, this was not quite what the Jews were doing with the OT. The closest Greco-Roman approach was to compose stories using popular mythemes as befitted the message and subject, then to explain the secret meaning in initiations using physical events and props and "theatricals." In contrast, the Jewish approach predominately replaced the use of cultural mythemes with scriptural passages and allusions--and to what extent the truth was revealed via initiations is unknown, though it must have been revealed at the very least via secret oral lore passed on from elder to initiate (as Paul already reveals hints of
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It sounds like ritual, myth, initiation and drama, with midrash are accepted parts of biblical studies. What then is the resistance to the jesus myth about?

We have all the parts - a mystery (Check where Paul talks about revealing it!) rituals - the eucharist and baptism, drama - the passion play, initiation - you become born again.

Are we looking at a Jewish interpretation of a mystery religion?
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The various poems or hymns in the writings of Paul - maybe they are all from the plays that were written to explain this mystery religion?
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