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Old 01-07-2004, 01:56 PM   #31
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For those who are saved, the law is - suspended. Suspended, because Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law in our place, then took the punishment for breaking the law upon himself. Basically, it's a simple matter of asking the judge for clemency.
Damn my parents! Can I borrow your wife? Hey, you say those aren't sins any more so I guess christinity has something to be said for it after all.

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True, there are benefits that come with abstaining from pork - especially before the medical knowledge of cysts was made available.
Fortunately human doctors discovered cysts and have now informed God, so the next revision of the bible will include this useful information. Oddly, though, God has not explained why He didn't know about cysts before humans told him.

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"Can't you see that what you eat won't defile you? Food doesn't come in contact with your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then comes out again." (By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is acceptable.)
Here's the million dollar question:

How come God (you remember him?) didn't know this? No, seriously, God spent thousands of years insisting that eating pig meat would defile a person and then Jesus comes along and says that was all wrong. Something just doesn't add up here.

There may be millions of good reasons not to eat pigs in a desert, but the one thing noone has explained is why God went for the "pig meat defiles the eater" option instead of explaining the good reasons. It would have saved a whole lot of effort, really, and avoided all the christians explaining that God was a moron and screwed up when he thought that pig meat was evil.
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Peter's Vision:Book of Acts Chapter 10.

9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray.
10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
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Self-explanatory.
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15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Self-explanatory.
When did this particular god make clean these creatures?
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When Jesus came it happened.
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Reads a bit like a funny apology--and another slap to ol' Rock-Head.

In that way, yes, "self-explanatory."

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When Jesus came it happened.
Then why didn't Peter know this while he followed Jesus around the Galilean countryside?

Why did it take a divine revelation well after the crucifixion for Peter to recognize this?
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Then why didn't Peter know this while he followed Jesus around the Galilean countryside?

Why did it take a divine revelation well after the crucifixion for Peter to recognize this?
Peter was not a very good or faithful disciple:

-He cut off the ear of one of the guards who came after Jesus even knowing beforehand what was Jesus's plan.
-He denied Jesus three times after his capture in order to protect himself.
-He doubted when walking over the water and almost drowned.

A few more references:

Matthew 16:

21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!"
23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

John 13:

5 After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples' feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.
6 He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, "Lord, are you going to wash my feet?"
7 Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."
8 "No," said Peter, "you shall never wash my feet."
Jesus answered, "Unless I wash you, you have no part with me."
9 "Then, Lord," Simon Peter replied, "not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!"

He was always confused and doubting, I think he was very annoying.
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He was always confused and doubting, I think he was very annoying.
Indeed. The gospel writers could not "kill off" a known figure, but they could certainly impeach him.

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